From goff747@yahoo.com Thu Nov 27 20:17:09 2014
Subject:Re: Odd little clone discovery

hehe norm. i know what the initial instigator was = on the rhodes bell overcrank. but when you said "crazy talk," then that was OT especially the "picking on japanese designers" comment. naughty norm.

with the rhodes patches, same as with the clonewheels, there ends up being something that someone doesn't like.
what can one expect out of something that involves physical hammers and an acoustic box and then trying to reproduce that on a chip?

i was just thinking if hammond had survived the bankruptcy would it have been able to dial in the tone in a lightweight portable keyboard. giving them the benefit of the doubt i would say yes. but that didn't happen for them/us.
rhodes did survive and so did wurli although it's not called a wurli.

i thought your rhodes clip sounded close enough for going with the affordable lightweight all in one usb chip jobbie workstation victorinox spoon fork toothpick.
if you want the real sound with hammers, you're going to have to play the real thing.
other than that, attenuation of the bell tone brightness on these clones is an easy fix. it's all down to the player's perception. if you know what a rhodes should sound like then you're going to have to break down and tweak your board and get by with close.
the manufacture gave you a general idea of what it sounds like. if anything there is more than enough frequency available in these digiboxes, just don't expect them to tweak it at the factory for ya. and if you need extra gear to make it happen then par for the course.

i sit back and watch all these threads come and go and i feel like i'm watching people in a dress shop. "does this dress make my ass look big."
and then it's usually a player whose doing a cover gig trying to sound like the original track which was done with the real thing.

you got a cheap clone, then make up for it with being more musical. works every time.

again, with electronics they never give you everything in one package. this is the reason that the pros use the real thing stacked all over the place. or if one needs to get anal then get clones that do one thing well. which puts you back at more than one board to play and schlepp albeit cheaper and lighter.

the more things change the more they remain the same.
let's hear some organ norm. i know you're just getting warmed up on the 09. put it thru its paces.

g/



On Friday, November 28, 2014 11:32 AM, "Norman Peterson normswwworld@gmail.com [CloneWheel]" wrote:


  Ok...guys...
This was about Rhodes emulations in keyboards throughout the years....
No one has been able to do a good of this...
Yamaha came out with the DX7 which spurrned it's own instrument.. The FM rhodes..
Ensoniq came out with the first popular sampler....
No great Rhodes emulation there...then Kurzweil....
We just got used to these patches...Nord was a huge step up..Rhodes...Wurley and Clavinet...
Until Scarbee came out with the heavy samples nothing really touched the original Rhodes instrument...
These are manufacturers from the world over...
Not just the Japanese didn't get this is right....
Any square wave with bell overtones became that sound...
I was not trying to get into an argument Goff...
The beast that is a Rhodes piano ...is what it is...
I do like the VR09 Rhodes pretty well though...
Things have come a long way.
NormOn Nov 27, 2014 6:54 PM, "goff macaraeg goff747@yahoo.com [CloneWheel]" wrote:

  >>>Visit any Japanese restaurant in Japan offering French or Italian food, or any sweets shop - you will be surprised how well they do everything and forget about ethnicity and cultural differences.
Daniel Forro >>

sounds like more fallacies of argument. petitio principii.

been there done that got the EXPO 70 t-shirts. i've been to japan many times over the years. yeah i know about japanese italian cuisine and I'M ITALIAN, i know about japanese KOBE BEEF and i lived in nebraska where the best american beef comes from.
i've eaten my share of uni with quail, unagi, sake, maguro, ikura with quail. tako, ika. i draw the line at fugu, built my own koi pond and raised taisho sanke, doitsu ongon, shiro muji, kohaku, and i have a belt in shotokan under sensei kunio sasaki.

that enough japan culture for ya?

but just because food is something japan understands, doesn't apply to everything else.
food is something more people understand, musical instruments is a niche genre.
but this is drifting. we are talking about designing of a musical instrument that has been hit and miss over the years. not saying it won't ever get better. but as the generations that know what the original sounded like disappear, not even young americans will know what a real hammond sounds like for more than one reason. it will morph into something else.

g/


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