From hammond321@yahoo.com Sat Dec 20 11:32:10 2014
Subject:Re: HELP!!!!! MY SOUNDS ARE ALL CHANGED AFTER 1.03 UPDATE
Is this firmware issue something that should make me have second thoughts about buying an 09?
On Saturday, December 20, 2014 11:51 AM, "G NJmm973@aol.com [CloneWheel]" wrote:
Wes,We appreciate all that you're doing. I haven't edited much on my VR-09 yet so I'm going to to a factory reset and then upgrade to 1.03 and go from there. And also buy a few cheap small USB sticks to save different sets for now
Gene
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 20, 2014, at 10:25 AM, "Wes Garland wes@page.ca [CloneWheel]" wrote:
The filename problem is absolutely not a technical limitation. It is, straight-up, a bug in the firmware. I wager it's a straight-up oversight which would take 10 minutes to fix. I wish I had access to the the engineering team. Roland US support team tells me they won't help me because I live in Canada, and that I have to call Roland Canada's parts department. The Canadian parts department apparently has no way of communicating firmware bugs to Japan.
I haven't played much with deep synth edits, but there were some changes IIUC in 1.03 (which I have not loaded yet). Reading between the lines, I think there are two "slots" for each synth parameter; one that is used by the factory sounds and one that is used by user sounds. I think that versions prior to version 1.03 were editing the wrong "slot".
I really need to spend some time with this keyboard in nerd-space over the holidays. Wish me luck. There is also a new Hammond CV in my practice space that needs attention...so many keyboards, so little time! :)
Wes
On 20 December 2014 at 08:44, Craig MacDonald ccmacdon@rogers.com [CloneWheel] wrote:
I don't have my VR-09 set up, so I can't test this, but I would think that a factory reset and reloading 1.03 should return you to factory registrations and most importantly return the deep synth data to factory settings. If you have to rebuild your registrations, I would consider what state you want to use as the basis for building your registrations..
I would think that version 1.03 with the axial sounds loaded in, is the best state to use when you begin to recreate registrations. I think you want the factory programs loaded into the bottom registrations, the axial cover band registrations in the top half, and all the new sounds that came with 1.03 (10 new eps and 15 new synth programs), and take it from there.
However, once you're at this level/state, and before you start editing registrations you should save this state on a separate USB stick, so that you can always easily get back to this state. Now you can recreate your registrations, and once you do that, save them (by themselves) on a different USB stick. You save them on a different USB stick so that YOUR deep edits are saved separately, and do this for any different sets of registrations that you use.. In my case I had one set of registrations that I used when I used it as an organ replacement (for my mojo), and a different set of registrations for when I used it stand-alone for rehearsals, and another set of registrations for when I used the VR-09 with a horn band. All of these registrations were on different USB sticks.
Honestly, this VR-09 architecture for saving/loading registrations is stupid, no question about it. But it is relatively easy IF you remember that the VR-09 only stores ONE .dat file per sub stick and you remember to use separate sticks for saving different registrations whenever you are making deep edits. The really stupid thing is that all Roland has to do is give the VR-09 the ability to store incremental .DAT files (001/002/003 etc.) that correspond to the different registration files and this problem is solved... I'm not sure why they don't do this, but it may be a limitation of the hardware, or the architecture.
That said, I am not entirely sure what constitutes a "deep" edit.. Maybe Wes can comment on this. He's building an editor to help with editing the VR-09.. So make he can shed some light on this?
Craig
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On Dec 19, 2014, at 6:46 PM, johnnypro@aol.com [CloneWheel] wrote:
If you do a factory reset, it will put the factory sounds back on, I believe. Save any custom sounds on a fresh USB drive. JP
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