From pjprevitejr@yahoo.com Wed Jan 23 07:10:58 2013
Subject:Re: New Roland V-Combo VR-09 demo

Tony,  If you get the chance, could you also take a peek at the new Hammond SK1-88 and the new Privia-Pro PX-5S (w/ drawbars). Thanks!  Peter
PS... Man, 2013 seems like a bumper year for Swiss Army Knife-type (do it all) keyboards!

From: tonysounds
To: "CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: [CWSG] Re: New Roland V-Combo VR-09 demo

 
I'll let you guys know tomorrow.

"The meek shall inherit nothing."  -FZ 
"Hitting 'play' does not constitute live performance." -T
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From: ccmacdon mailto:ccmacdon%40rogers.com>
To: mailto:CloneWheel%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 8:11 AM
Subject: [CWSG] Re: New Roland V-Combo VR-09 demo

 

If in fact SN is a new architecture I really think that you are kidding yourself if you think they have anything beyond a direct "port" of the VK engine + a few minor tweaks. Emulating sympathetic string response is no different than emulating chorus/vibrato, it is as unique to the hammond organ and the sympathetic resonance is to a piano. Roland have doing this for years to make their recreatios of instruments more authentic.

I still think that calling this a supernatural organ means minor tweaks rather than a truly new instrument.. It's first and foremost a marketing strategy to try to differentiate themselves from everyone else who is basically doing the same things..

I could be wrong. But it really sounds like the same old VK organ!!

Craig

--- In mailto:CloneWheel%40yahoogroups.com, "raisindot" wrote:
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> The "Supernatural" thing isn't a description; it's a branded type of sound architecture Roland started using in its newer pianos and Jupiter series. If the VK marketing doesn't use the term, then then it's not a SN engine. SN instruments are different than older legacy Roland sound systems. There's far more ability to customize the sound. For example, with the SuperNatural pianos you can adjust the "hardness" of the hammer hit, the 'sympathetic' response of adjacent strings, the stereo field, the amount of "noise" generated by the instrument and other factors. And it does respond more realistically to different playing styles than the pianos in my Motif, Kurweil PC3 and Sonic Cell. Of course, this doesn't mean that the SN organs are 'better' than the VK or anyone else's (I like 'em, but for me they're certainly not anywhere near as good as VB3-based emulations or even my XK3c). If I had no other keyboards or modules, and organ was of paramount
importance and other instruments necessary but secondary, I'd probably go for a Nord EM 3 or 4 or SK1 or even a Kurzweil Pc3 before this.
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> If you want to sort of get an idea of what the SN organs sound like in a mix, you can listen to a little amateurish Integra-7 demo I've created that auditions many of the different instruments in a simple blues/jazz composition. The organ section is about 2:45 minutes in, after the sax section. Full disclosure: My playing may be hazardous to your health.
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> www.jbriskinconsulting.com/songs/hopin-mike.mp3
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> --- In mailto:CloneWheel%40yahoogroups.com, "ccmacdon" wrote:
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> > I really don't think that this is anything more than a basic VK8 in the new VR-09 beyond a couple of minor updates (probably most significant is the introduction of a second "dual" leslie sim) they're calling it supernatural because that's what they refer to ANY of the roland instruments that have unique instrument specific "modeled" behaviour that affects the sound or playability..
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