From gabru@comsec.net Tue Dec 03 16:58:50 2013
Subject:Re: New hammond xk3c

While I am one who would not agree with the use of any Motion Sound product having owned both the Pro-3 and KBR-3D I do agree that separating your stereo monitors more than 5 or 6 feet is not a good idea when simulating a Leslie (no matter what monitor you use). With the Vent and maybe 5 feet of separation between the speakers I get the closest thing to a 122 I have ever heard. The other synths sound great that way as well. The-KBR is nice in that it is an all in one package but their rotary horns have never sounded that good to me. It sounds like Fox is just using the stereo channel and not the horn so that may make all of the difference. They had products that I really wanted to like but was disappointed every time. I would definitely try before you buy or have a good return policy in place.

From: CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jukefox@jukejoynt.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:21 PM
To: CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [CWSG] RE: New hammond xk3c

Hi Ken ...

I know you were initially querying Jacques regarding his choice of speakers, but I have a thought I would like to interject for your consideration.

I hauled a stereo pair of powered speakers around for many years to provide reinforcement for my stereo synths and clonewheels. Unfortunately, for the clonewheels, they never quite made the grade, primarily because the left and right speakers were just too far apart for good realism. That's when I went to my first Motion Sound Pro3. It wasn't great either, but at the time it was a whole lot better than whatever was in 2nd place for the Leslie sim and the organ sound over all. I never could get the clonewheels sounding quite right though and eventually went back to hauling my B-3 around anyway ... quicker setup (roll in, make four connections, hit start/run and play) and completely authentic sound.

Fast forward a few years and I got tired of hauling around two heavy wood cabinet active medium-throw bi-amped speaker cabs, but didn't want to give up stereo for my synth reproduction, and then I found a pretty good price on a MotionSound KBR-3D, which is a stereo cabinet with a rotary horn channel. In fact, it has two stereo channels (one with expansion) in addition to the rotary channel. I never figured on using the rotary channel though, because the plan was to sit it atop my Leslie and run my synths through it, but the price I paid for it was substantially lower than the similar offering in a 1-piece stereo cabinet without a rotary channel. I was really pretty happy with this rig ... and then ...

In August of 2012, I pulled the trigger on my MOJO. When it arrived, I plugged it into the standard stereo channel of the KBR-3D and HOLY MOLE'! It was absolutely THE SOUND and, as someone else described here, it was THAT SOUND that made the hairs on the back of my neck stand on end. I plugged the rig into my stereo pair and, not so much. The separation was too much.

Now, I know there are some folks here that really don't like Motion Sound gear (and to be honest, I had trouble with my KBR-3D about a year after I got it, but Motion Sound repaired it and shipped it back right before they went out of business last year...before getting back in business again this year), but I think one huge key to authentic-sounding Leslie implementation from an on-board sim (or even a stomp box like Burn or Vent) is left/right stereo separation. With left and right in one box, at around 45-degrees to one another, it puts the outer limit of the projection points about a foot and a half apart, which is about what you would find from one side of a Leslie horn's excursion to the other. This rig just sounds stellar and more "Leslie-like" than any other I've used short of the real thing!

Especially now that Motion Sound is back in business, I would not hesitate to give one of their stereo systems a shot. The KP500SN, at 250 W/channel ought to be plenty for most gigs and, from my perspective anyway, if I need anything hotter, I'm running through FOH! These amps are clean, loud and provide relatively flat, faithful reproduction throughout the frequency spectrum.

There are also 100 W and 200 W versions (50 W/chan. and 100 W/chan. respectively), as well as slave amps and a subwoofer available. Although I really don't need it unless I'm kicking sticks, I typically use a 400 W subwoof (not Motion Sound) with my KBR-3D ... but I cannot imagine a better amplification system for my MOJO for small-to-medium venues ... and I've tried several ... but neither the QSC or EV units mentioned.

Knowing the folks recommending them, I'm certain they're quite good. I just doubt I could get them close enough together to do what my MS system does ... plus, I'd be carrying around two cabinets again!

Peace,
Fox

---In clonewheel@yahoogroups.com, > wrote:
The QSCs sound good to me but they just don't have enough
gain to be used without a mixer of some sort.