From jackoverfull@gmail.com Fri Sep 28 09:58:50 2012
Subject:Re: Numa Organ vs XK1

Sounds resonable...I'm positive the xk3c is not modeled tough and I
never found much difference between the sound of a new b3 (but I never
had the opportunity to try both at the same time).

Anyway, I still find the suzukis some 10 years behind, not bad if
compared with evb3, b4 or the korgs and rolands, almost playable with
a real Leslie or if you're going it to use for very limited backings
and so on but absolutely not on the same level with the "modern"
clones (vb3 and derived, keyb and derived and nords).

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Il giorno 28/set/2012, alle ore 18.40, "jjmcs49"
ha scritto:

> The '3c has split C/V and I'm pretty sure the XK-1 does not (I know
> the XM-2 didn't). They all use VASE III but it is my understanding
> that VASE (1, 2 or 3) is the means by which the basic Tonewheel data
> is created "in the lab". It is not the process or "sound engine" in
> the instrument that plays the sound. The XK-3c has a "next
> generation" sound engine. Also, the XK-3 and '3c both have a tube
> preamp but they are very different.
>
> My understanding of the history is that H/S developed a new sound
> engine as part of the design process for the New B3. That sound
> engine was then used in the XK-3 and subsequently the XK-1/XM-2. Due
> to the success of the XK-3 H/S then decided to develop the XK-3c
> along with a next generation sound engine that would take advantage
> of the advances in computing and DSP over the previous 5 or so years
> first. Then that sound engine was used in the development of the New
> B3 MkII.
>
> While the improvements are significant and obvious when compared
> side by side, I doubt the majority (or even close to it) could tell
> which one they were hearing if they couldn't see it. IMO. YMMV, Yada
> Yada Yada.
>
> --- In CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com, ccmacdon@... wrote:
> >
> > JJmcs49,
> >
> > I was hoping that you would chime in here, given your knowledge
> of the hammond line.
> >
> > I've seen forum members suggest that that the XK1 sound equals the
> XK3c sound on several occasions (obviously because they share the
> same VASE III engine), but from my perspective it's really not true,
> and thank you for the additional detail that you have provided. The
> other thing that wasn't mentioned, that will have a significant
> impact on the sound, is the fact that the XK1, like the XK3, does
> not allow for independent C/V on different manuals (JJmcs correct me
> but I'm pretty sure that's the case).
> >
> > So, for the record the list of significant sound differences
> between the XK-1 and the XK3c would be the following features, that
> are exclusive to the XK3c:
> >
> > - improved digital leslie sim
> > - improved reverb
> > - tube output stage
> > - B-2 type tonewheel set (more natural tone)
> > - the ability to turn C/V on/off independently on upper and lower
> manuals
> >
> > That said, obviously there is a similarity in the sound, and I can
> understand why some might think the XK1 and XK3c sound similar, but
> there are in fact significant improvements between the XK1 and XK3c
> that significantly improve the sound. Last but not least the XK3c's
> quite a bit more tweakable which means the you are better able to
> get THE sound that you're looking for.
> >
> > Craig
> >
> > 1h
> > Re: Numa Organ vs XK1
> > Fri Sep 28, 2012 6:43 am (PDT) . Posted by:
> > "jjmcs49" jjmcs49
> > The XK-1 is a couple of years newer than the XK-3 and although
> they share the same sound engine the XK-1 benefits from improvements
> in computing and DSP power and speed. The digital Leslie is the main
> improvement. The XK-3c actually has a newer (and improved) sound
> engine in addition to further improvements in computing and DSP
> power and speed. The newer B-Type2 tonewheels sound more natural
> (for lack of a better term IMO) and the things produced/affected via
> DSP - C/V and digital Leslie as well as reverb are much improved.
> >
> > The XK-1 sounds more like an XK-3 than an XK-3c. They all sound
> great.
> >
> > --- In CloneWheel@yahoogro ups.com, "raisindot"
> wrote:
> > >
> > > I disagree. I have demoed both the the XK3c and XK1 and the XK3c
> is as heads and tails superior to the XK1 in terms of warmth, tonal
> quality and Leslie capability as the Nord C2D is to the Nord Electro
> 2. I would quite likely choose a Numa over a XK1. But never over an
> XK3c or Mojo. :)
> > >
> > > --- In CloneWheel@yahoogro ups.com, Gustavo Pezzi
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Xk1's sound == Xk3c's sound
> > > > >
> >
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> >
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