From jackoverfull@gmail.com Mon Feb 06 09:59:57 2012
Subject:Re: In the ears of the beholder?

Hi David,
I agree on the fact that a good player can make the hammond sound different. I can't explain exactly how (use of the pedal? Small changes in timing? Surely preferences in miking and setting up the leslie when possible), anyway, I can recognize many of my favourite players by their sound. Anyway, this is true only up to a certain point and basically every clone now available has that distinctive difference in the sound that's clearly recognizable if you listen carefully.
Recently witnessed to a Joey DeFrancesco concert…The concert was great, the sound was great but was still clearly the sound of a keyB, not of a "true" Hammond. And the keyb is actually one of my favourites clones around in terms of sound, my #2 preference…

Regarding the fact that the vast majority of the audience will never notice if a clone is good, bad or if it's indeed a true hammond…Well, sure, no doubt about it, but i'll notice it, i'm the one that has to perform with that sound and I want to have the best sound possible. i don't care if no person in the room will (consciously) notice that: I care about my sound, period.

Il giorno 06/feb/2012, alle ore 17.06, daleassociates51 ha scritto:

> Hi gang,
>
> I have been reading with much interest all the discussion about the latest clone products to come out and the pros and cons of some longer standing clones. I might be coming at this discussion from a different perspective than many of the contributors and fans of this group. As I have stated in past submissions I got into playing keyboards much later in the game than many of you, and I have never claimed any virtuosity in my ability to play. I am a long time guitar player that switched over to the keys about 10 years ago, and I have loved every agonizing minute in my pursuit to become better at my craft. My take on all the recent discussion is that I have been listening to real B3 organs for a lot longer than I have been listening to clones that try to emulate them. Yes there is nothing more uplifting than listening to the sound of a Hammond B3 singing through a leslie cabinet. I have to admit to my mature ears that over the past 10 years huge strides have been made in emulating the B3, and yes some of them get a little strident in the upper registers, but with a little programming and/or eq that can be tamed. I know many of you who are long time players or who currently own a B3 or have played one will claim and probably rightly that you could identify a real B3 versus a good emulation in a blind test. My take is that if you put 100 music listeners or fans into a room and asked them to identify the real B3 versus the clone version most would have a difficult time telling which one was real and which one was not. I think that in this group we tend to be a little elitist in our views. I still believe that a lot of the sound comes from the player and their hands versus the instrument itself. I certainly know that a great guitar player can make $400 guitar sound really good whereas a marginal player is not going to sound remarkably better on a $4000 PRS. I think the same thing holds true a gifted player can make a clone sing whereas I would probably make a B3 just hum. I hope you all take my comments in the spirit of looking at this continual debate from another perspective.
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> Have a a great day all I know I will, and I will be more than content playing my VB3.
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> David Stein
> Ottawa, Canada

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