From frederick.somerville@gmail.com Wed Apr 04 14:09:30 2012
Subject:Re: Nord C2 vs. C2D comparison?

The C2d as I see is an extension of the C2 - just as the C2 was and
extension of the C1.

The obvious changes are of course the panel layout with the drawbars. This
has been requested by a lot of ppl since years.
Now it has been implemented. That it is faders that do the job is imo. not
a major drawback since they are nicely dented which fell pretty much the
same as on my XB3. I guess if you are an absolute purist the the drawbars
should have bars but from the functional point of view they work the same

Preset buttons are on the endblocks.
Three presets and the A/B drawbarselection
You can also select Drawbarset with a button adjacent to the drawbarset it
self.

On the sound side:
The lowest octave TG callibration is now correct. This improves the sound a
lot when playing LH bass
For me a limitation of the C1 and C2 has been the TG calibration in the
lowest ocatave. The foldback has been two weak in volume so that the lowest
octave sounded weak. On the C1/less so C2 you had to compensate this with
pulling out the 2ond drawbar a lot and turning up the bass.

The timing between the turn on of the individual partials of a note is much
better (longer). If press down a key on a B3 slowly you can hear each
partial being separately turned on.
This effect is now better modeled (VB3 has a separate setting for this)

The note off klick responds differently depending on how fast you release
the key. A release where the key is dampened on its way up gives a
different (the C2 type) click and a quick release (flick or slap the key)
gives the same bounce type click as you get on a B3. This in combination
with the partials turn on makes the start sequence of the much richer.
The net effect is the organ has more bite in the attack. As a consequence
it also reveals rhythmic imperfections better to my shock and horror :) But
it forces me to clean up my playing
The note of click bounce has an on off setting if you do not like it
The keyclick no has four intensity levels

The Leslie simulation
The old 145 simulation remains (Was introduced with the C2)
A new 122 cabinet simulation has been added
This has two modes - Close miked or more distant miked
122 = Distant miked
122Close = Close miked
The 122 sounds very close to how a Leslie sounds in a room 2 - 3 meters
away from you. The modulation is more subtle and less wish woshy as
compared to what you hear in a close miked set up.
I prefer the 122 (distant) mike version and I must say that when I use it
in my PA at home I do not miss my 145 that much.
Of course when I turn on my 145 or 142 it is always a revelation when you
are hit by reflections coming from everywhere
The leslie simulation now has a setting to balance Horn and rotor 70/30
60/40 Medium 40/60 30/70. Left number being rotor percentage

The distorsion is now much grittier as compared to the C1/C2 that had more
of a preamped distorsion. The aim now is that of tubepoweramp saturation.
And you can have distorsion early with out being totally overdriven with
888 888 888 and full Swell.
If you turn up the distorsion on high level you can still have the option
of heavily overdriven sounds

I really like the C2d - I had to use the C2 the other day since a friend
had borrowed the C2d to do a studio recording.
Going back to the C2 i really missed the C2d. They guys in the trio also
lacked the bite and brutality of the C2d.

Given the sound - the formfactor - the weight. Then the C2d fulfills all of
my organ needs.

Do I still want a B3?
Who doesn´t want a B3 if you can afford it and have the room for it.

Do I miss not having a B3 - with the C2d not that much. I have an
instrument that responds well to how I play it. And in a Leslie it is a
dream. Using the PA and the new internal sim then it is a good alternative
to breaking you back getting the Leslie in and out of the car. I am very
picky with my sound when I play in church and I was quite happy with the
overall sound using the Nord C2d and a PA.

I would say - go test it because it is a lot of Hammond organ sound and a
full user interface (all of the drawbars etc) in a very convenient package.

/Frederick

2012/4/4 raisindot

> **
>
> Frederick, since by owning both the C2 and C2D you're certainly more
> qualified than most of us here to explain the differences between the two,
> could you provide your detailed comparison just of these two models in
> terms of both the quality of the sounds/effects and the hardware/features,
> including which model you prefer? I'm particularly interested in how they
> compare to the EM 2, which I used to own but sold because I found its B3
> emulation to be rather harsh and sterile.
>
> Unfortunately, the sound quality of most audio and video demos makes it
> very difficult to discern these differences.
>
> Jeff
>
> --- In CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com, Frederick somerville
> wrote:
> >
> > Since I have booth the C2 and C2d I would not agree that the
> improvements a small.
> >
> > When you play them side by side the improvements are major.
> >
>
>
>

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MVH Frederick Somerville

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