From gabru@comsec.net Fri Sep 02 10:38:30 2011
Subject:RE: CLONEWHEEL SHOOTOUT 2011!! Let's Git Busy!!

I'm not a hater....I used to own one. But I was counting on your Voce vote! :)

From: CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of MikeW.
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 10:36 AM
To: CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [CWSG] CLONEWHEEL SHOOTOUT 2011!! Let's Git Busy!!

lol voce hater hehehehehehehehe

--- In CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com, Gary Brumm wrote:
>
> You never know Mike....It's subjective....I'll bet the Voce 5 will get at least one vote! :)
>
> Cheers.
>
> g
>
> From: CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of MikeW.
> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 11:58 AM
> To: CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [CWSG] CLONEWHEEL SHOOTOUT 2011!! Let's Git Busy!!
>
> lol I think Voce will win it again again and again hehehehehe just kidding guys!!
>
> --- In CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Wahler wrote:
> >
> > Hi Gary,
> >
> > The results of the 1996 Shootout were:
> >
> > * The Voce V3 won.
> > * The Hammond XB-2 was a *very* close second.
> > * The Hammond XM-2 (?) came in third.
> > * The Viscount D9 wasn't considered close enough to bother with a
> > full set of tests.
> > * None of them sounded exactly like a B-3. All of them had
> > weaknesses in things like percussion 'thump,' chorus vibrato, and
> > crosstalk. But any of the top three was more than usable for gigging.
> >
> > * No sim -- including the original MS Pro-3 -- won the Leslie Sim
> > Shootout. In 1996, you could get closer to 'the sound' with any
> > clone and a Goff Professional Leslie than even the B-3 with a Pro-3.
> >
> > The testing was mostly the brainchild of Mark Longo, who at the time was
> > the Hamtech moderator. We did the shootout live, to try to eliminate
> > setup and playback differences -- and because it was cool to meet
> > clonewheelers from around the world. It took a lot of work to arrange
> > the date and keep track of just four clones. It would require a bit of
> > commitment on the part of someone to collect, log, and distribute MIDI
> > files and MP3s to make a virtual shootout work. It's certainly a lot
> > more work than Norm's suggestion, and maybe less fun, too.
> >
> > The reason that we did it the way we did was two-fold:
> >
> > 1. At the time -- and it's still kind of true -- the Keyboard Mag
> > shootouts were full of subjective impressions, but not a lot of
> > useful data. They got a bunch of famous players together, had
> > them play around for a day or so, then asked for vague impressions
> > like 'which clone is the most "ballsy"' and such. That's
> > interesting, but it doesn't give one much to go on to try to buy a
> > clone online.
> >
> > 2. Having me play Clone A, and you play Clone B introduces a lot of
> > variables: technique, chops, daily attitude, etc. Let's face it,
> > an awesome player on a $100 Casio might sound better than me on a
> > real B-3!
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > -BW
> >
> > Bruce Wahler
> > Ashby Solutions.com^(TM)
> > bruce@
> > http://music.ashbysolutions.com
> > 877.55.ASHBY (877.552.7429)
> >
> > On 9/1/2011 11:24 AM, Gary Brumm wrote:
> > > Hi Bruce,
> > >
> > > Sounds like a good idea.....What were the results of the 1996 shootout?
> > > The MIDI files would add some consistency and maybe the mp3 could
> > > be somehow posted without reference to which clone was used. Then
> > > we could vote and post the results. We would need to send files to
> > > someone who could keep track of what clone went with what mp3 file.