From gabru@comsec.net Thu Sep 01 16:16:48 2011
Subject:RE: CLONEWHEEL SHOOTOUT 2011!! Let's Git Busy!!

You never know Mike....It's subjective....I'll bet the Voce 5 will get at least one vote! :)

Cheers.

g

From: CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of MikeW.
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 11:58 AM
To: CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [CWSG] CLONEWHEEL SHOOTOUT 2011!! Let's Git Busy!!

lol I think Voce will win it again again and again hehehehehe just kidding guys!!

--- In CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Wahler wrote:
>
> Hi Gary,
>
> The results of the 1996 Shootout were:
>
> * The Voce V3 won.
> * The Hammond XB-2 was a *very* close second.
> * The Hammond XM-2 (?) came in third.
> * The Viscount D9 wasn't considered close enough to bother with a
> full set of tests.
> * None of them sounded exactly like a B-3. All of them had
> weaknesses in things like percussion 'thump,' chorus vibrato, and
> crosstalk. But any of the top three was more than usable for gigging.
>
> * No sim -- including the original MS Pro-3 -- won the Leslie Sim
> Shootout. In 1996, you could get closer to 'the sound' with any
> clone and a Goff Professional Leslie than even the B-3 with a Pro-3.
>
> The testing was mostly the brainchild of Mark Longo, who at the time was
> the Hamtech moderator. We did the shootout live, to try to eliminate
> setup and playback differences -- and because it was cool to meet
> clonewheelers from around the world. It took a lot of work to arrange
> the date and keep track of just four clones. It would require a bit of
> commitment on the part of someone to collect, log, and distribute MIDI
> files and MP3s to make a virtual shootout work. It's certainly a lot
> more work than Norm's suggestion, and maybe less fun, too.
>
> The reason that we did it the way we did was two-fold:
>
> 1. At the time -- and it's still kind of true -- the Keyboard Mag
> shootouts were full of subjective impressions, but not a lot of
> useful data. They got a bunch of famous players together, had
> them play around for a day or so, then asked for vague impressions
> like 'which clone is the most "ballsy"' and such. That's
> interesting, but it doesn't give one much to go on to try to buy a
> clone online.
>
> 2. Having me play Clone A, and you play Clone B introduces a lot of
> variables: technique, chops, daily attitude, etc. Let's face it,
> an awesome player on a $100 Casio might sound better than me on a
> real B-3!
>
> Regards,
>
> -BW
>
> Bruce Wahler
> Ashby Solutions.com^(TM)
> bruce@...
> http://music.ashbysolutions.com
> 877.55.ASHBY (877.552.7429)
>
> On 9/1/2011 11:24 AM, Gary Brumm wrote:
> > Hi Bruce,
> >
> > Sounds like a good idea.....What were the results of the 1996 shootout?
> > The MIDI files would add some consistency and maybe the mp3 could