From fingerz@woh.rr.com Mon Mar 21 15:46:13 2011
Subject:Re: Anybody try the B3 emulation on a Kurzweil PC3 series?

I had a PCR2 a number of years ago and I tried to like the triple strike
piano.I just couldn't get it to cut through. I even used the rock grand
patch.There is just something about the Kurz pianos I don't know if anyone
else knows what I mean or not. I played it with an 88-note weighted
controller maybe I should have messed with the velocity settings, it just
always seemed flat and never had a crispness. I can usually get a great rock
piano out of the Yammie with no intervention. And the KB3 mode at that time
was nauseating to say the least. If it sounds as good as an Electro 3 I'd
love to give it another try.How's the horns on it? In the rock vein I've
heard that they weren't very good.Orchestral Brass may be a different story
and I do think their Strings are awesome.





From: CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of moodyblueskeys
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 9:07 AM
To: CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [CWSG] Re: Anybody try the B3 emulation on a Kurzweil PC3 series?





There are yet more improvements on the way. The new "Big Leslie" effect
amounts to a Leslie (in KDFX effects) feeding another Leslie (in KDFX
effects). However, the 2.01 implementation has vibrato and chorus feeding
both segments, so it becomes exaggerated. I received the first beta of OS
2.02 Saturday morning, and that has now been corrected. My own personal
focus in the beta team is KB3 mode and acoustic pianos - and a number of my
suggestions during the OS 1.35 to OS 2.00 prolonged series of beta releases
were implemented by the programmers at Kurzweil (I'm sure, along with
suggestions from a lot of others, I don't really know exactly how many are
on the beta program.)

The particularly exciting thing to me is that Kurzweil is listening to their
customer base, and implementing changes to improve the product. I've had my
PC3X for three years now, and it is a far better keyboard than it was the
day I received it.

There are something in the neighborhood of eighty separate KDFX "studios"
that are differently programmed Leslie effects. For one like me that does
not have enough programming experience to easily change the effects with all
the hundred or more different parameters - I can just change the entire
"studio" for a different Leslie (note that the name "studio" is not featured
in the PC3 manuals, but it is what KDFX called a particular effects setup in
the earlier years).

I also own a NE3-73 (bought back when OS 1.35 was on the PC3); but I do any
single board gigs now with the PC3 (I do still set both boards up when I do
any dual board gigs or at chuch with the PC2 that I leave there). The two
complement each other well, but I don't find it necessary to always have the
Electro any more. I do still like my Electro - but primarily for easy live
effects changes on the piano side and for its very light weight.

Jim
aka "MoodyBluesKeys" on a number of forums

--- In CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com ,
Dave Bishop wrote:
>
> I started this thread because I was thinking about buying a PC3. I
> found one on eBay for $1,250 delivered and have now received it updated
> to the 2.01 OS.
>
> It's an incredible keyboard, to say the least. You can play Hammond
> sounds using the dedicated KB3 simulator or build your own Hammond
> patches using the separate V.A.S.T. synth architecture. The new OS has
> convincing examples of both. I haven't had time to record A/B
> comparisons against my B3/122 rig yet, but it's a very deep machine. It
> looks possible to program enough oscillators to create convincing
> leakage. The Chorus 3 is strong, and the key click can be modded to a
> more realistic "chiff". The top octave foldback seems genuine. The
> nine sliders have about the same travel as drawbars. I'm not in love
> with where the standard keyboard trigger depth is set yet, but from the
> instruction manual it looks like one can program nine layers to sound
> tones at nine different trigger depths. I haven't spent any time with
> the Leslie sims, except to see that there are a lot of possible tweaks.
> I'm using a pair of Mackie SRM450s, and of course they don't move air
> like a real Leslie 122.
>
> I'm not sure if a serious B3 player has tried to make a definitive B3
> patch on this board, but what I've heard so far sounds more convincing
> than the Nord Electro 3 we used at a gig last Friday. I'll post again
> in a few weeks when I've had more time to experiment.
>
> Thanks to all who posted here. I really appreciate the advice.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dave Bishop
>

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