From diversiorgan@yahoo.com Tue Jul 29 12:43:41 2008
Subject:Re: Suggestions for the Clone Meet
Thank you.
I agree with you. Plus, I really would hate to see anyone open their home to people they don't really know. THAT is a big risk to take and anything can happen. If anyone knows the liability process it should be you. If someone were to say, fall and get hurt. . . you know the rest of the deal.
Consider that their still me be some people that might feel pressure at a retail location but I think the people at Gand are great hosts.
Again! Only ifthe list members want, the other manufactures to be invited, realize that they, the manufactures, are going to be more likely to come if the venue is neutral and not on another manufactures turf. This has nothing to do with me but this is just that nature of most manufactures. I don't even have a problem in putting the Diversi next to a vintage B3 / C3 and 122 / 147.
As to Roland I can do this much. As you may or may not know my retail store, Hammond Organ Center, is a full line Rolnad dealer. It just so happens that two VP's from Roland are going to be here for a meeting in about a week. I can bring the subject up to them and see what they say. As to Motion Sound, now XP Audio, I think John Fisher is a list member and maybe he can respond. I will drop him an email as well.
Korg. I think someone would have to bring one as I understand that the no longer make their drawbar keyboards. By no means am I speaking for them. They should still be invited.
As to Gand, we will contact them and see if we can firm up a date. I do know that Joey DeFrancesco has a gig coming up in the Chicago Land area in September so that might even work as he might be able to a clinic as well, if he is available.
I do think the abilty to try different gear mixes is be a fantastic idea. There hasn't been any ONE place to do something like this. And I agree with you that sometimes hands on is a good way to find out. Even with the lists everyone is really trying to find "their sound."
Now all we have to do is do this in Atlanta, LA, Detroit, St Louis, San Fran, Settle, NYC, Boston, Philly and Dallas, and so on and so on and so on.
BTW ---- Did you ever hear of the AOAI (Armature Organist Association International)? I see WHPA. Wheel Head Players Association. (smile and a grin)
With respect,
Tom Tuson
----- Original Message ----
From: tonysounds
To: CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 10:31:20 AM
Subject: Re: [CWSG] Suggestions for the Clone Meet
Tom (Tuson), if Gand wants to get involved and can have a Diversi there, why not just do it there? They already have Nord and HammondSuzuki clones on demo, and then interested parties can bring whatever other instruments wanted to compare. Gand might even still have a console Hammond there too depending on transient nature of their used gear. As Joan is a list member here, she can certainly let us know if that¢s do-able. And since she¢s a store owner, she¢d obviously have much more pull with a regional rep or manufacturer and getting them involved than I would. I¢m not interested in excluding any manufacturer; I just know the logistics involved and the likelihood of me getting them there. (But you know this! You have a vested interest in getting involved either personally or with a demo model as you don¢t have the market visibility yet for this product. Nord/Roland/Korg aren¢t quite in that position.) I could probably get
someone from Hammond Suzuki there because of their proximity and my dealings with them, but Roland and Korg? Probably not. I do know the rep for Nord and he¢d likely be able to hook up whatever we need too (and obviously, Gand is a stop for that rep); so it looks like with Gand¢s involvement, you¢d have what you want: a nice neutral territory (Gand carries HammondSuzuki, Nord, Roland and Korg as well as Motion Sound and Speakeasy!!!) where all can be represented and we¢d all win. I offer up my home but obviously if a store could host it and generate some kind of business (even if it¢s not clone related) or interest, that¢s a win for them. Either way, I¢d like to participate.
"The meek shall inherit nothing." -FZ
"You don't get tone on a diet." -T
"Hitting 'play' does not constitute live performance." -T
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--- On Tue, 7/29/08, Thomas Tuson wrote:
From: Thomas Tuson
Subject: Re: [CWSG] Suggestions for the Clone Meet
To: CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 7:36 AM
Mr O:
How do I ask you nicely to do this? Could you please refer to me as Tom, Mr. O. or would you prefer Mr. Orant or Mr. Tony or Mr. Sounds. (grin)
With our current schedule between now and the end of September we have several conventions that we attend. These are paid for them and two are back to back and not in the Chicago area. Here is what can offer. Since Gand Music is our dealer in that area and they want to host some work shops why don't we work around so me dates with them that will give you want you want at your home but allow us to have what the dealer wants as well.
Also, why don't you want other manufactures invited?
Regards,
Tom Tuson
----- Original Message ----
From: tonysounds
To: CloneWheel@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 2:26:57 AM
Subject: Re: [CWSG] Suggestions for the Clone Meet
Upon further review of Mr. Tuson's "suggestions" , I guess I'll ask the obvious: since no one seems to be raising their hand and saying "I've got one", as one of the other "manufacturers" , what are the odds of getting the Diversi to a Midwest Clonemeet? I'm not involving other manufacturers because I'm guessing if there's enough interest in attending this thing, someone is likely to be able to bring their Roland VK-something, and likely, a Korg CX3 (since those were well established in the marketplace in their day), and I'll already have an Electro, XK1 and B4 (via Receptor) here. For 5 year old clones (or newer) that leaves....Viscount' s module, a Voce V5 (anyone?!?). ...and anything else you can think of.
But since it's a Clonemeet, why the heck would anyone put that kind of limitation on it? Bring an old CX3, or an old OB3, or whatever you're playing, or have had stashed at home for eons. (Anyone remember the Moog organ? The Crumar T1? Roland VK1000, or RS09?) It's a Clonemeet... .like a Hamfest (for you Ham operators out there): that means anything of interest, bring it on.
If this were to happen, and it was too large for my small studio, I have a 3 car garage that's heated and air conditioned; if there's really that many people interested, I'll get a tent and we'll do it outdoors. I don't think it's necessary to rent a hall....but if someone wants to take that ball and run with it, by all means. If people were willing to spend money on feeding and quenching themselves, I can get a club to open up for us for an afternoon/evening before hours; just buy food and beverage from the bar. Shouldn't be tough.
On the other hand, Mr. T can organize these in the cities he deems fit (try a Saturday/Sunday as opposed to a weekday during typical work hours, so as not to exclude those of us still unfortunate enough to have to "work") and in any fashion he sees fit. I'll show up at the Midwestern event, as long as it's a Sat/Sun Day. (Evenings on the weekends are no good either as most of us gig.)
This can be as casual or as high-falootin as you want. When you get down to it, we're interested in what we all use, not pretense. But since Mr. T has sort of inspired this to happen, wouldn't it be a shame if the Diversi wasn't represented somehow?
T
"The meek shall inherit nothing." -FZ
"You don't get tone on a diet." -T
"Hitting 'play' does not constitute live performance. " -T
www.myspace. com/tonyorant
--- On Mon, 7/28/08, tonysounds wrote:
From: tonysounds
Subject: Re: [CWSG] Suggestions for the Clone Meet
To: CloneWheel@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 10:40 PM
Like I said, I'm 20 minutes from Midway, 35 mins from O'Hare. I've got leslies, an Electro, an XK1 and B4. Towns say you can't do this???? I live in a house, and it can go all day, but at 10pm, the noise stops. I just had 75 people at my house for a party until 5am, I think they'll be A-OK with 50 guys playing music and done by 10pm.
Anybody wanna play?
"The meek shall inherit nothing." -FZ
"You don't get tone on a diet." -T
"Hitting 'play' does not constitute live performance. " -T
www.myspace. com/tonyorant
--- On Mon, 7/28/08, Thomas Tuson wrote:
From: Thomas Tuson
Subject: [CWSG] Suggestions for the Clone Meet
To: CloneWheel@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 9:18 PM
First I am sorry that I haven't been able to post here but I have been involved with a video taping of a show at BET. The days are long so I have only been able to answer my regular email.
Now to some suggestions with regards to the Clone Meet.
This is a great and I think some of you are really brave to want to host perfect strangers in your home. What are you going to do if you have 30 people show up. Not a good idea. Plus some towns have a limit on what you can do in your home.
Here are my suggestions that are somewhat based on what the people in Italy do. Now I am sure that there will be a HOST of comments from this, so here goes.
1. The Meet really should be held in a neutral place. Something like a VFW hall or some place that will allow for a fair number of people and gear. Gear takes up a lot of area. Now what do I mean by neutral place. As some of you know we hosted the open house in my retail store, the Hammond Organ Center and of course I am sure some people felt like we were going to PUSH them to buy, which we didn't do.
Also, no one company or person should bare the cost and strain as well.
2. If it is held in a neutral place the other manufactures are more likely to supply gear and want to be involved. Other wise what isn't supplied by a manufacture will have to be supplemented by people bringing their own keyboard and gear. I know a few players that won't and don't let anyone touch their gear. The person that would let their gear be used will have have to be someone who doesn't mind taking the chance that their gear might get abused.
3. A stock B3 or C3 and stock 122 or 147 should be included as a baseline for comparison. Nothing modified or hot rodded.
4. The ability and time to try different products together. For example using a 122 or 147 with the clones or other brands of rotary speaker(s) and none rotary cabinets to hear and compare the rotary simulations.
5. Also, if this is truly going to be an all day event maybe consider dinner and a concert / jam session. Maybe even a playing clinic.
6. It should also be stressed that the Meet isn't a selling event. That's right! NOT A SELLING event. This is a great opportunity for people to try gear and hang with fellow tone wheel lovers without any pushy selling.
Now.... Here is the 40,000 dollar question. What is the wish list for clones and speaker systems. There are so many configurations that could be done that this might turn into a two day thing. Also, you have to limit the amount of items. Items that haven't been in production for more then 3 years might not be included, say like the old XB2 or Korg's original CX3 or some Elka off the wall drawbar thing.
This is something that has to be pretty well organized (accuse the pun) and thought out. Other wise some people will get pissed and feel it's a waste of time. Even if it is keep on a level playing field there is bound to be someone put out and someone who will feel they are special and break the rules.
Just my dollar, two, ninty eight.
Respectfully submitted and I look forward to seeing the responses,
Tom Tuson
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