From diversiorgan@yahoo.com Tue Jul 22 18:01:05 2008
Subject:Re: Artists and what they play question!?

David:

I didn't take any comments as a flame... I wanted to make it as clear as I could that I wasn't trying to start a flame session as they are not productive and no one really wins.

None the less there has been, on more then one occasion, of a list'r taking their personal opinion and making it into a "fact of knowledge" without knowing what really is going on.

Also, I don't believe I hinted at or suggesetd that anyone should keep their comments to themselves. So please! No one should take my post as trying to suggest anything like that. If you did... I am sorry.

Below, in what you say about your own playing rig and what you use, should I take it that you would rather play a vintage. Then should people assume that you really are forced into playing a clone for some reason and that it should taken it for granted the you hate using any clone at all? (smile) So if I were ever to see you playing a gig and your not using a vintage tonewheel organ I just know that your not playing at your best becasue you don't have a tonewheel organ to use. NAAAAAA I don't think that's the case. I think you probly play your best when ever you gig.

Further down you assume you know JD. I think if you look back in the archives you will see a post that someone made after the Open House we had. It pretty much says how we feel here at Diversi. There are companies that are making clones out there that want all of the old organs to die.... And really have no respect for the history behind the original tonewheel organs. One company thinks the MDD Hammond of the 70's was the best Hammond ever. If you have ever played a B3000 then you know that isn't the tonewheel sound. It's a Hammond Sound but not THE Hammond Tonewheel sound.

We at Diversi and KeyB are all highly respectfull of the original tonewheel organ and understand it's "soul." All of us hear at Diversi have worked on restoring the old tonewheel organs as well so we are very intement with the tonewheel organs.

Bottom line the post I started was a broad observation. Some people that read these lists sometimes take everything that is posted as fact when it isn't.

Please don't feel that I am picking on you as I really am not. I just know how someone can make an personal opinion as a "statement of fact" when they don't know what is going on.

With my respect to you and my regards,
Tom Tuson

PS... Don't forget to oil the Leslie rotors and motors just like the tonewheels, once a year.



----- Original Message ----
From: David Jacques
To: CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 3:39:33 PM
Subject: RE: [CWSG] Artists and what they play question!?

There is no reason to assume that our comments are flames. This is an
interest list and we would not be on here if we just kept our comments to
ourselves. Speaking for myself my comments are based on what I believe from
my own experience. And I don't think they are all necessarily correct, just
my opinions.

I have seen Joey play several instruments. When he was an endorser for H/Z I
saw him play the New B3, the XK System, and several vintage Hammonds. When
he played a vintage organ I did not think that he was dissing H/Z's new
products. It's just what he wanted to play that night (I assume). Taking for
granted that a musician like JD is an artist first and endorser second, it
seems to me that the artist would consider the music before the $$$. But in
no way does that reflect poorly on the equipment that he/she is endorsing.

My point was that clonewheels are compromises, and until I hear one that
sounds better and offers a better playing experience than a good vintage
Hammond console and Leslie, any clonewheel would come second to the real
thing. When I play out and the venue offers me a real B3 to play, I leave my
clonewheel at home.

From everything I have seen and heard the Diversi is a great product and we
all wish you the best of success.

Please put me on your mailing list.

DJ

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From: CloneWheel@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:CloneWheel@yahoogro ups.com] On
Behalf Of Thomas Tuson
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 1:56 PM
To: CloneWheel@yahoogro ups.com
Subject: [CWSG] Artists and what they play question!?

Without opening a Pandora's box here I want to just make an observation and
I really would like to understand something about the comments sometimes
made here bout what instrument or instruments someone is playing or not
playing.

Many times I see many of you talk and even share pictures or videos about
your "gig rig" or "studio rig" or "home setup." Most of you have spent a lot
of time and money acquiring different instruments, parts and pieces that
work for you and what your are "trying" or "have" obtained for your ultimate
gear setup. What I don't understand is why so many times when an artist is
playing something different be it a clone or a vintage tonewheel organ some
of you jump at the chance to snip them. Yet, when many of you are selling
off some of your gear to or already have purchase something else it is
perfectly ok.

While I realize that for some these changes are because you may have the
extra cash to upgrade something but in many cases, and I may be wrong, it's
because your trying to add to or change your sound because you are still
looking for "that" something extra or your just plain tired of something.

Please understand that I am not speaking on Joey's behalf nor am I defending
anyone. I really don't understand why so often there is this on going
attitude as to "See!!!!!! He's playing an XYZ! I just know that it's because
etc, etc, etc, etc." I always thought that part of playing and performing is
stretching your music, changing and evolving. Look at Miles Davis and the
different evolutions he went through.

Personally, if I wanted to hear the same thing over and over again I'll put
a CD on and put it on repeat mode. Again, I might be wrong but when I go to
hear someone live I want to hear something that they have done on a
recording but I also want to be surprised by something new that they are
doing.

As I stated at the top of this, I do not want to open a Pandora's box and
nor do I want to start a flaming session. I just find it interesting that
when someone is playing or using something different, when they are a member
of these various Hammond lists, it seems ok to change equipment or do
something different! But for someone like Joey it becomes a time to start
making comments that are trying to prove some point that was never there to
prove.

I look forward to your civilized comments. (big smile)

Keep on playing and turning those wheels until the oil drys up.

With much respect,
Tom Tuson

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