From diversiorgan@yahoo.com Sun Feb 24 10:18:50 2008
Subject:Re: R: Re: Diversi Organ Vs Hammond
BTW.... As a correction... I just asked Joey and that is a new B3 and not vintage.
Thanks,
Tom Tuson
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From: "goffmac747@aol.com"
To: CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 12:19:17 PM
Subject: Re: R: Re: [CWSG] Diversi Organ Vs Hammond
I agree. However if you listen to Joey on a youtube broadcast playing a
B3, you can sense the quality of the instrument he is playing. Whether
it is an mp3 or not, things do come across. If you happen to hear an
mp3 that does not convince you of anything, then much less of a
connection is made. Granted not all mp3 demos bring things across as
intended, but if that is the most immediate sample of a device, then
one should make darn sure the mp3 demo speaks well of the one who
released it. Sometimes an mp3 will say something to you to make you
want to investigate further. But it can work the other way.
http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=dFcVaitADW8
As with all clones, it's whatever twirls your beanie prop. Undoubtedly
Diversi will get it's own set of fans. With Joey et. al at the helm,
he's sure to bring in some believers. This is no more no less than all
the other makers of clones have to go through. Market share,
competition, R&D. Availability will be key to any product's success,
not unless they become icons as in the "clone's sake" and then the
world beats a path to your door.
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From: endiendi@tin. it
To: CloneWheel@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 11:43 pm
Subject: R: Re: [CWSG] Diversi Organ Vs Hammond
I don't speak for anybody, just one thought: I never get for granted
what I hear on a mp3 demo on a site. I'm talking of quality and nothing
else. I'm assembling a really big modular and I wouldn't purchase
anything from MOTM or Oakley just after having listened to the demos. I
haven't found any justice so far for any musical gear from the mp3
demos on the various sites. I purchased all those modules in spite of
what I could hear from the demos and the real thing in the flesh is
really a different thing. The only piece of gear that impressed me
positively from the little demo on the site was the moogerfooger 101
moog filter. For some reason that demo was superior. The demo was
superior, not the filter that is a wonderful filter but not better than
the others I just mentioned as an example.
Enrico
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Ogg: Re: [CWSG] Diversi Organ Vs Hammond
May we invite you to come to the store and try the organ for yourself.
Regards,
Tom Tuson
Diversi Musical Instruments
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From: "goffmac747@aol. com"
To:
CloneWheel@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 3:03:05 AM
Subject: Re: [CWSG] Diversi Organ Vs Hammond
Kudos for the review..it made me visit the Diversi site
and sludge
through those on again off again videos and clips. An
advertisement is
a direct reflection of the people who put it out.
With all the better
media players on ordinary websites, it would
behoove Diversi to get
their webmasters in gear.
I think the
Diversi is close, but there's something that it is missing
and for
one, the attack and the way it handles the upcoming notes.
There is
also a difference in the tone that is "Hammond-like" but not
"Hammond." Some of the harmonics and overtones are "off." Sometimes
they don't land and cluster right.
Listening to Joey on youtube play
Blues for Bobby C on a B3 and then
comparing it to his 2008 NAMM New
Song #2 on Diversi's site, taking for
granted this is really Joey
playing on the mp3 clip, I sense there is a
missing response in how
the Diversi reacts to the notes played and the
way one would expect
the next notes to sound.. It made Joey play
different on the Diversi
than on the B3 in the u2b clip almost as if he
were second guessing
himself as to what to play next. Sometimes it
reacts like a B3 tone-
wise and then sometimes it doesn't. As if after
you've played a
flurry of notes, the next part of the riffs don't sound
"familiar."
Something changes and it gives you that "oh-oh" feeling.
I'm not a
software scientist but I sense the software is playing
catch-up and
may have some things to resolve. There is a hint of a lack
of
immediacy as opposed to the way a tone wheel reacts. I must surmise
that trying to digitize analog's infinitesimal increments is a
daunting
task.
Papa John's clips also gave me the same feeling,
same for PJ Morgan's.
At the risk of getting broiled on this, there
are a few differences. To
use a guitar analogy it's like playing a
Strat copy and then playing a
real Fender made in USA Strat. (One
that the factory got right..hehe. .)
You get close but after you dig
in and start to play the instrument,
how it reacts becomes apparent
and what you can find in the original
version, is missing in the copy
version. Therein lies the rub. Picture
Tarzan swinging through the
trees expecting the next vine to be in the
right spot for him to let
go of the one he's hanging on to and then all
of a sudden that vine
is not where he needs it to be or the upcoming
vine didn't react as
smoothly as the previous one. Apologies in advance
as these analogies
don't work for everyone.
I used to sell Lowery organs as a day job
in between gigs after years
of playing on the road and in recording
studios dragging my B3. As you
sit in the store playing all those
Lowery's, of course your roots are
with what you played for the
longest time.
You look for the similar B3 responses, but they don't
happen..
The reason I'm posting this is because I'm curious as to
why someone of
Joey's stature would leave Hammond for something that
isn't as good as
a Hammond. Specially since he does not need to worry
about schlepping a
Beast 3 to any of his gigs. Not unless he can
endorse simultaneously
anyone he chooses as some artists seem to pull
off and is doing both
Hammond and Diversi.
I don't know anything
of the mechanics of the Diversi. I'm wondering if
it has figured out
a way to duplicate the key switch stack tones?
I have nothing
against Diversi and I'm not employed by any musical
instrument firm.
I wish them well. In fact I'm a Sicilian from Brooklyn
and my
forefathers were musically and mechanically inclined. O' sole
mio...
sta nfronte a te.. as my Ma used to sing to me.. It's just that
in
being on this quest for tone, as all musicians at one time or
another
are, and now as regards 400 pound instruments, it's important
to
thresh out the pros and cons and let the opinions fly.
The DV Solo
looks real inviting though..Never seen a full compliment of
drawbars
on anything but a chop.
Let's see how the backline industry takes to
this.
Meanwhile I'm sure there will be those who will be concerned
about
their "backs" and will cash in on this. Reliability issues
notwithstanding.
-----Original Message-----
From: keyofg53
To: CloneWheel@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Sun, 24 Feb
2008 5:46 am
Subject: [CWSG] Diversi Organ Vs Hammond
I have owned
and played a Hammond B3 for over thirty years. I have
also owned and
tried
many B3 Clones including the XK3. Today I went to the Hammond
Organ
Store in Woodlyn,
PA to look at their new Diversi Organ.
They are sold out completely of
every model they
have but they had
Joey DeFrancesco' s organ there that he is currently
touring with in
the
U.S. as he is in Italy right now. You would not believe the
sound of
this organ. It was
hooked up to a motion sound KP200S
and a Motion Sound SW-15 subwoofer.
The leslie
simulation is so
good I could not believe my ears. The organ sounds
better than any
real
B3 I have ever played. It blows the Hammond XK3's out of the
water you
cannot even
compare them. I purchased/ordered the DV-
Solo on the spot. It uses
the exact same
sound engine as their
full console organ. I have always been a loyal
Hammond player and
when Joey D switches from Hammond to something else you better believe
the "sound" has
to be better and it is. There are (5) different
Hammond Cloned organs
in the Diversi and it
will blow your mind.
The physicist in Sweden that developed this
technology should get
world honors. If you get a chance to hear the new Diversi Do Not Miss
it. Go to the Diversi
website and you can get the schedule where
Joey D will be playing it
for the next several
months. Finally
after many many years a portable keyboard that sounds
like a REAL
ORIGINAL HAMMOND ORGAN with a leslie simulation that is just
stunning!
Not like the
Hammond/Suzuki Hammonds at all! John
Gualtieri Garnet Valley, PA.
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