From wilkie@mariposasailing.com Sun Feb 24 10:08:00 2008
Subject:RE: Diversi Organ Vs Hammond
I enjoyed your post and think you make some great points and you obviously
know and understand the Hammond "language," but please allow me with great
goodwill to point out that to be fair to Diversi I don't believe you can
really make sound (an unintentional pun) judgments from media coming across
even broadband. I experience every kind of misalignment through a duo core
processed cable broadband connection.
You may very well be totally correct in your observations, and I am
skeptical myself, but I can't wait to find myself sitting at one of these
critters to make my own assessment. I doubt that I'll see one any time
soon, as I live in a keyboard wasteland on the left coast, but I'll catch up
to one eventually.
David Wilkie Owen
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From: CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of goffmac747@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 12:03 AM
To: CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [CWSG] Diversi Organ Vs Hammond
Kudos for the review..it made me visit the Diversi site and sludge through
those on again off again videos and clips. An advertisement is a direct
reflection of the people who put it out. With all the better media players
on ordinary websites, it would behoove Diversi to get their webmasters in
gear.
I think the Diversi is close, but there's something that it is missing and
for one, the attack and the way it handles the upcoming notes.
There is also a difference in the tone that is "Hammond-like" but not
"Hammond." Some of the harmonics and overtones are "off." Sometimes they
don't land and cluster right.
Listening to Joey on youtube play Blues for Bobby C on a B3 and then
comparing it to his 2008 NAMM New Song #2 on Diversi's site, taking for
granted this is really Joey playing on the mp3 clip, I sense there is a
missing response in how the Diversi reacts to the notes played and the way
one would expect the next notes to sound.. It made Joey play different on
the Diversi than on the B3 in the u2b clip almost as if he were second
guessing himself as to what to play next. Sometimes it reacts like a B3
tone-wise and then sometimes it doesn't. As if after you've played a flurry
of notes, the next part of the riffs don't sound "familiar." Something
changes and it gives you that "oh-oh" feeling.
I'm not a software scientist but I sense the software is playing catch-up
and may have some things to resolve. There is a hint of a lack of immediacy
as opposed to the way a tone wheel reacts. I must surmise that trying to
digitize analog's infinitesimal increments is a daunting task.
Papa John's clips also gave me the same feeling, same for PJ Morgan's.
At the risk of getting broiled on this, there are a few differences. To use
a guitar analogy it's like playing a Strat copy and then playing a real
Fender made in USA Strat. (One that the factory got right..hehe..) You get
close but after you dig in and start to play the instrument, how it reacts
becomes apparent and what you can find in the original version, is missing
in the copy version. Therein lies the rub. Picture Tarzan swinging through
the trees expecting the next vine to be in the right spot for him to let go
of the one he's hanging on to and then all of a sudden that vine is not
where he needs it to be or the upcoming vine didn't react as smoothly as the
previous one. Apologies in advance as these analogies don't work for
everyone.
I used to sell Lowery organs as a day job in between gigs after years of
playing on the road and in recording studios dragging my B3. As you sit in
the store playing all those Lowery's, of course your roots are with what you
played for the longest time.
You look for the similar B3 responses, but they don't happen..
The reason I'm posting this is because I'm curious as to why someone of
Joey's stature would leave Hammond for something that isn't as good as a
Hammond. Specially since he does not need to worry about schlepping a Beast
3 to any of his gigs. Not unless he can endorse simultaneously anyone he
chooses as some artists seem to pull off and is doing both Hammond and
Diversi.
I don't know anything of the mechanics of the Diversi. I'm wondering if it
has figured out a way to duplicate the key switch stack tones?
I have nothing against Diversi and I'm not employed by any musical
instrument firm. I wish them well. In fact I'm a Sicilian from Brooklyn and
my forefathers were musically and mechanically inclined. O' sole mio...sta
nfronte a te.. as my Ma used to sing to me.. It's just that in being on this
quest for tone, as all musicians at one time or another are, and now as
regards 400 pound instruments, it's important to thresh out the pros and
cons and let the opinions fly.
The DV Solo looks real inviting though..Never seen a full compliment of
drawbars on anything but a chop.
Let's see how the backline industry takes to this.
Meanwhile I'm sure there will be those who will be concerned about their
"backs" and will cash in on this. Reliability issues notwithstanding.
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From: keyofg53 >
To: CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 5:46 am
Subject: [CWSG] Diversi Organ Vs Hammond
I have owned and played a Hammond B3 for over thirty years. I have also
owned and tried
many B3 Clones including the XK3. Today I went to the Hammond Organ Store in
Woodlyn,
PA to look at their new Diversi Organ. They are sold out completely of every
model they
have but they had Joey DeFrancesco's organ there that he is currently
touring with in the
U.S. as he is in Italy right now. You would not believe the sound of this
organ. It was
hooked up to a motion sound KP200S and a Motion Sound SW-15 subwoofer.
The leslie
simulation is so good I could not believe my ears. The organ sounds better
than any real
B3 I have ever played. It blows the Hammond XK3's out of the water you
cannot even
compare them. I purchased/ordered the DV-Solo on the spot. It uses the exact
same
sound engine as their full console organ. I have always been a loyal Hammond
player and
when Joey D switches from Hammond to something else you better believe the
"sound" has
to be better and it is. There are (5) different Hammond Cloned organs in the
Diversi and it
will blow your mind. The physicist in Sweden that developed this technology
should get
world honors. If you get a chance to hear the new Diversi Do Not Miss it. Go
to the Diversi
website and you can get the schedule where Joey D will be playing it for the
next several
months. Finally after many many years a portable keyboard that sounds like a
REAL
ORIGINAL HAMMOND ORGAN with a leslie simulation that is just stunning!
Not like the
Hammond/Suzuki Hammonds at all! John Gualtieri Garnet Valley, PA.
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