From rhodesman62@yahoo.com Wed Oct 17 09:12:55 2007
Subject:RE: A message from the moderator?

David, the people who spoke up are not the only ones who are bothered.
It seems that bringing up a concern like this provokes immediate defensiveness and admonition on the part of some of the more vocal members of the list.
That is not was America is about...

David Jacques wrote:
Ramon,

"We" do not have a problem. But apparently YOU have a problem. Relax. enjoy
all the information (and entertainment) that this list offers. Don't feel
threatened by people posting on the list. It is an internet e-mail list, for
god's sake!

I too have a business. I have told many people on this list about it. Do I
expect sales coming from the list? Not necessarily. But for the few people
who learned about the products I sell and found them useful for their music
making, I am sure that they appreciate finding out about these products. The
same can be said for Steve, Bruce, and others.

And speaking of Bruce, he HAS used this list to notify us about some of his
products. And I, like many others, appreciate that. Not only were we able to
purchase products that helped us create music, we helped an AMERICAN SMALL
BUSINESSMAN stay afloat among the Asian corporate conglomerate that has
completely taken over our economy. The Bruce Wahlers' and Steve Hayes' of
this country should be praised and supported. Tell me the last time you
called Suzuki and got the same response to one of your problems that Bruce
or Steve offers.

I would be very disappointed if a clear minority forces a change in the
present configuration of this list. And I sincerely doubt that you would be
successful in any sort of poll to band Bruce, Steve, or the other members
who sell products from this list.

So if these posts continue to offend you and your friends. please stay calm
and hit the Delete button...

_____

From: CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of mon8169
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 5:26 AM
To: CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [CWSG] A message from the moderator?

Mark is not alone. Some of us think the same. For this reason this
topic comes always again, and again, and again....

Here's my point of view:

Some of you don't consider Steve's posts as advertisements and some
of us consider them as veiled advertisement. The fact here is that
both are just opinions, and as every opinion, it is personal and
should be treated respectful. Nobody will convince the other group
that they are wrong, so there is no need discuss it over again.

But, it is also very clear that we have a problem (in this case "we"
are all the people in this list), the problem to endure this topic
from time to time.

The solution should always be addresed to the origin of the problem,
and in this case this is Steve's posts (*). Would it be so hard to
you, Steve, to arrange your posts in a way that nobody thinks it is
an advertisement? I mean, not to speak about your products (if the
topic isn't related, of course), not to send any link to your
business pages (use a private one), not to post videos where your
Company's name is written at the start of the video..... Just take
Bruce W. as an example. He also has a Clonewheel related business and
nobody has any problem with him.

(*)Others can argue that the origin is the first post from Mark, but
I hope they can see that if it weren't Mark, it would be any other of
this group, just as it has been in the past.

Hope this helps

Ramon

--- In CloneWheel@yahoogro ups.com,
NJmm973@... wrote:
>
> MRK,
>
> I'm not going to answer your question becaue:
>
> 1) You're not the moderator, 2) I was not aware and I don't believe
that any manufacturer has or had been?unfairly treated, 3) I'm not
conscious that any changes need to be made, 4) You seem to be the
only one (maybe one other who has agreed) who perceives that we have
an issue, 5) If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
>
> Next, I agree with Tony, please contribute some of your knowledge
and experience towards helping us enjoy our clonewheel keyboards
more.? That's the purpose of our group.? We share our knowledge,
experience and help each other grow.? We were so busy enjoying
ourselves, we totally had no idea there was some injustice percieved.
>
> Lastly, as one other group memeber said, who is the "We" you speak
for.? I don't believe you speak for the group to call for a vote.
>
> Let's get back to having fun with our rigs.
>
> Gene
>

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