From jamesewells@mindspring.com Mon Nov 12 12:30:38 2007
Subject:Re: [CWSG]OT Electoral College: was Re: Decimator web page up with sounds

Amen...

At 03:27 PM 11/12/2007, you wrote:

>Hi All,
>
>Can we all please take all of this non-CloneWheel stuff OFFLINE?
>
>And don't tell me, "That's what the Delete key is for." If this list is
>being used for its intended purposes, I would expect that 80-90% of the
>emails would be worth reading. Lately, it's been closer to 30-40%. You are
>cluttering up everyone's mailboxes with what amounts to spam. If you want
>to discuss debating techniques, human nature, and/or how US presidents get
>elected, that's your business -- but don't automatically assume that the
>rest of the almost 2,000 members of this list (many of whom are not US
>citizens) are interested in the same. This is still a list for discussing
>Hammond clones, right?
>
>Regards,
>
>-BW
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>Bruce Wahler
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>At 02:56 PM 11/12/2007, you wrote:
>
> > Sorry maybe my encyclopedia is out of date. But you may remember that
> Gore won the popular vote but Bush won the electoral, and BECAME
> President. So how does having 538 vs.13? help the voting public..? The
> system is still in force..don't you think..? The point is the thrust of
> the system not the minutia of the number of electors. In the scheme of
> things, 538 people voting for the President, vs. the 50 millions or so
> that cast their votes is infinitesimal, and it may as well be 13 if not 538.
> >
> >I'm not accusing the voting public of being ill informed, I'm saying the
> US government does not consider the voting public informed enough to make
> an educated decision, otherwise it would abolish the Electoral College.
> >
> >The problem with being President of the United states is, you're not
> just the President of America, you are the leader of the free world, yet
> you get voted in by Americans. Many Americans do not have any
> understanding of goings on outside of the US. Ever watch Jay Walking on
> Jay Leno? How many Americans really know world history or? their own
> history for that matter ? How many can point to another country on a map,
> like that Miss Teen USA Miss South Carolina fiasco??
> >
> >If she's an indicator of what the average American knows of the world,
> how is the US government supposed to handle that? Clear and simple, the
> vanguards of the United States and the free world, knew they needed a war
> dog in the White House. That's why Bush got the White House and Gore got
> the chads.. Bush won 271 of the electoral and 47% of the popular while
> Gore 266 and 48%. Yeah what happened to that extra Elector?
> >
> >The vote is an exercise that until such time, if we ever get informed
> enough, will we directly elect the President. The Electoral College was a
> safeguard put in because the government did not trust the masses to vote
> for the President. And that system is in force to date. It's also in the
> history books so perhaps you should have looked that up rather than just
> the number of the Electors.
> >
> >My bad, with all that posting last night while trying to mix a few
> recordings in the wee hours, while catching up on a myriad of posts,
> battling the cause for Don Leslie, my brain slipped and out popped the
> number "13." Thanks for the correction.
> >
> >So if we want to be as informed as needs be to elect the President, we
> should all brush up on world affairs, know everything there is to know of
> our own history and government, world history, the cultures and politics
> of most of the other nations on the planet, specially the G8, and make
> sure icons such as Miss South Carolina are reduced to dart boards in a
> hot rodder's garage. Not an easy thing to do when many are holding down
> two jobs to make ends meet. Be glad we have an Electoral College to mind
> the mint. Other countries have it worse. American's have no idea how good
> they have it. We are falling behind in our academics, and if we don't
> bust a move, we can only blame ourselves. We do, since this is Veteran's
> Day have the distinction of being the best soldiers on the planet with a
> history of brave men and women making the American Way, the best way so
> far. So we still have a lot for to be proud and thankful. While we banter
> in these forums, behind a computer, in a comfortable
>chair, our brothers and sisters are fighting for their lives and ours in a
>place they'd rather not be right now.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: donniemac88 <donniemac88@yahoo.com>
> >To: CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com
> >Sent: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 2:49 am
> >Subject: [CWSG] Re: Fwd: Decimator web page up with sounds
> >
> >You should really do a little reading up on the Electoral College
> >
> >before you accuse the voting public of being ill-informed.
> >
> >For example, the use of "electors" didn't happen within the past 80
> >
> >years -- it was written into the Constitution:
> >
> >"Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof
> >
> >may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of
> >
> >Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in
> >
> >the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an
> >
> >Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed
> >
> >an Elector."
> >
> >And there are currently 538 electors, NOT 13.
> >
> >--- In CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com,
> goffmac747@... wrote:
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >Like electing the President. Most think their vote does the trick but
> >
> >it's really the Electoral College that elects the President. A body
> >
> >of around 13 people. It's because the government does not trust the
> >
> >subjectivity of the American voter to elect the most important
> >
> >position in the World. The voting public has been going through the
> >
> >motions for the last 80 or so years and many still don't know this.
> >
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