From bruce@ashbysolutions.com Mon Nov 12 12:28:04 2007
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Hi All,

Can we all please take all of this non-CloneWheel stuff OFFLINE?

And don't tell me, "That's what the Delete key is for." If this list is being used for its intended purposes, I would expect that 80-90% of the emails would be worth reading. Lately, it's been closer to 30-40%. You are cluttering up everyone's mailboxes with what amounts to spam. If you want to discuss debating techniques, human nature, and/or how US presidents get elected, that's your business -- but don't automatically assume that the rest of the almost 2,000 members of this list (many of whom are not US citizens) are interested in the same. This is still a list for discussing Hammond clones, right?

Regards,

-BW
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Bruce Wahler
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bruce@ashbysolutions.com

At 02:56 PM 11/12/2007, you wrote:

> Sorry maybe my encyclopedia is out of date. But you may remember that Gore won the popular vote but Bush won the electoral, and BECAME President. So how does having 538 vs.13? help the voting public..? The system is still in force..don't you think..? The point is the thrust of the system not the minutia of the number of electors. In the scheme of things, 538 people voting for the President, vs. the 50 millions or so that cast their votes is infinitesimal, and it may as well be 13 if not 538.
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>I'm not accusing the voting public of being ill informed, I'm saying the US government does not consider the voting public informed enough to make an educated decision, otherwise it would abolish the Electoral College.
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>The problem with being President of the United states is, you're not just the President of America, you are the leader of the free world, yet you get voted in by Americans. Many Americans do not have any understanding of goings on outside of the US. Ever watch Jay Walking on Jay Leno? How many Americans really know world history or? their own history for that matter ? How many can point to another country on a map, like that Miss Teen USA Miss South Carolina fiasco??
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>If she's an indicator of what the average American knows of the world, how is the US government supposed to handle that? Clear and simple, the vanguards of the United States and the free world, knew they needed a war dog in the White House. That's why Bush got the White House and Gore got the chads.. Bush won 271 of the electoral and 47% of the popular while Gore 266 and 48%. Yeah what happened to that extra Elector?
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>The vote is an exercise that until such time, if we ever get informed enough, will we directly elect the President. The Electoral College was a safeguard put in because the government did not trust the masses to vote for the President. And that system is in force to date. It's also in the history books so perhaps you should have looked that up rather than just the number of the Electors.
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>My bad, with all that posting last night while trying to mix a few recordings in the wee hours, while catching up on a myriad of posts, battling the cause for Don Leslie, my brain slipped and out popped the number "13." Thanks for the correction.
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>So if we want to be as informed as needs be to elect the President, we should all brush up on world affairs, know everything there is to know of our own history and government, world history, the cultures and politics of most of the other nations on the planet, specially the G8, and make sure icons such as Miss South Carolina are reduced to dart boards in a hot rodder's garage. Not an easy thing to do when many are holding down two jobs to make ends meet. Be glad we have an Electoral College to mind the mint. Other countries have it worse. American's have no idea how good they have it. We are falling behind in our academics, and if we don't bust a move, we can only blame ourselves. We do, since this is Veteran's Day have the distinction of being the best soldiers on the planet with a history of brave men and women making the American Way, the best way so far. So we still have a lot for to be proud and thankful. While we banter in these forums, behind a computer, in a comfortable
chair, our brothers and sisters are fighting for their lives and ours in a place they'd rather not be right now.
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>From: donniemac88
>To: CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 2:49 am
>Subject: [CWSG] Re: Fwd: Decimator web page up with sounds
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>You should really do a little reading up on the Electoral College
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>before you accuse the voting public of being ill-informed.
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>For example, the use of "electors" didn't happen within the past 80
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>"Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof
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>may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of
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>Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in
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>the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an
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>Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed
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>an Elector."
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>And there are currently 538 electors, NOT 13.
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>--- In CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com, goffmac747@... wrote:
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>Like electing the President. Most think their vote does the trick but
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>it's really the Electoral College that elects the President. A body
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>of around 13 people. It's because the government does not trust the
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>subjectivity of the American voter to elect the most important
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>position in the World. The voting public has been going through the
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>motions for the last 80 or so years and many still don't know this.
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