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From rhodesman62@yahoo.com Mon Nov 05 16:20:08 2007
Subject:Re: Another crazy Leslie idea?

Yep.
This has always felt more of a Hammond tech than an organ players' forum.

Bruce Wahler wrote:
Hi All,

I don't want to start a flame war here, but Ron *does* have a point. There's so much emphasis on *gear* in this list, that *chops* seem to take a serious back seat. A monster player like John Novello, Joey D, Chester Thompson, or Barbara Dennerlein (sp?) probably sounds better on great gear, but any of them could whip my a** on a $169 Casio -- spotting me a pristine '65 B-3 and a pair of Leslie 122s for the match. Bottom line: chops beat any other item, hands down. I think that was the point of the earlier message. This list keeps searching for the Holy Grail of B-3 sound, but after a certain point, it's kind of a pointless gesture, don't you think? I have resisted the temptation to swap my BX-3 for something newer, and in the process I've stumbled upon a great sound, that feels good to my hands. That *should* be the end of the story.

Personally -- and I know that this will probably come as a surprise to a few -- I could personally care less what a Leslie sounds like with a brass horn, or shuttered louvers, or any of the other hot-rod modifications. I love the stock sound of a mid-'60s Leslie, more or less, and have spent years figuring out how to coax that out of non-vintage gear. THAT's cloning a Hammond + Leslie, IMHO.

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BTW, Ignoring the threads is a great approach -- except that few if any of the list members actually rename threads when they veer off; thus, most of us have to read at least the first paragraph of each email.

Regards,

-BW
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Bruce Wahler
AshbySolutions.com_
978.386.7389 voice/fax
bruce@ashbysolutions.com

At 02:57 PM 11/5/2007, you wrote:
>Hey Ron,
>
>Lighten up a little. These threads pop up once in a while and I think
>we all really know we are trying to reinvent the wheel and as futile
>as it may seem we might learn something in the process... or not.
>
>In any case it sounds like you disapprove. My suggestion to you is to
>get the daily digest if you don't have it already and just ignore the
>threads you are not interested in.
>
>Cheers,
>Rock
>
> --- In CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com, "Ron" wrote:
>>
>> This is nuts. Barring the whole idea that moving parts located in such
>> close proximity to intense vibrations coming from the 15" speaker will
>> create a loud mechanical vibration, it's just a really lame idea.
>> Right up there with drilling out the other side of the treble rotor
>> horn. Folks put so much emphasis on the little meaningless details
>> while they should probably be more concerned about just sitting down
>> and practicing up if they want something to sound better. Shut up and
>> play, dammit!
>>
>> --- In CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com, Joost wrote:
>> >
>> > There is a differance but didn't test it yet
>> >
>> > goffmac747@ schreef:
>> > >
>> > > Perhaps. I read somewhere long ago that the louvers on a leslie
>> have a
>> > > phase correlation to the sound going thru them. I don't know if
>it's
>> > > true. Perhaps others can shed light on this. Has something to do
>with
>> > > the the way they are shaped.. If you use a venetian blind type of
>> > > effect I don't know if that would have an effect or not because
>those
>> > > would be flat shingles instead of convoluted passage ways.. I do
>know
>> > > that the sound coming out of louvers is different from the sound
>> > > coming off the back with the covers removed. So what is the true
>> > > leslie sound? The rotors straight out the back? Or thru the louvers?
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: Joost >
>> > > To: CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com
>> > > Sent: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 3:50 am
>> > > Subject: Re: [CWSG] Re: Another crazy Leslie idea?
>> > >
>> > > I have a nice idea;
>> > >
>> > > louvers which can be adjusted "closed to wide open" like those for
>> > > windows of a house.... :-)
>> > >
>> > > Ted Thompson schreef:
>> > > > Bear in mind that the first Leslie�_� horns were made of Paper
>> Mache,
>> > > > glued into a block of wood in the center. I've only seen a few,
>> and I
>> > > > can't recall if they had the exponential looking flair of the
>later
>> > > > plastic ones or not.
>> > > >
>> > > > Also, early cabinets had 1 slot (louver) and some at least had a
>> layer
>> > > > of sound absorbing material stapled in behind that opening and
>> on the
>> > > > inside of the upper back.
>> > > >
>> > > > "The Sound" has been constantly evolving.
>> > > >
>> > > > Cheers!
>> > > >
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>> > > > rrockkey wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >> I wasn't gonna say any thing, but you gotta be a little goofy
>to be
>> > > >> getting into this spinning speaker stuff in the first place: )
>> > > >>
>> > > >> I have a nearly destroyed horn that I mended with very stiff
>> art board
>> > > >> of which my wife has extra lying around. I cut it to size(what
>> does a
>> > > >> cone look like if you could "unroll it flat"?) then glued it
>on the
>> > > >> stub of what was left of the horn. I could have done the same
>with
>> > > >> layers of wood veneer for a wood horn but I didn't think of it.
>> Maybe
>> > > >> next time. What does it sound like? Not much different than the
>> > > >> baklite one in my 145 (both without deflectors). Yeah, I know I
>> should
>> > > >> get new horns with the deflectors but I'm in no hurry.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Got any other crazy ideas? If you don't try it you'll never know.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Cheers,
>> > > >> Rock
>> > > >>
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