From formercakid@yahoo.com Sat Dec 29 13:22:09 2007
Subject:Re: Doepfer D3M: shallow triggering mode

I checked the Doepfer web site and there is no
firmware update download.

Also, the current d3m manual does not give an option
to turn off key velocity.

????Where did you get this information????
--- "kris.vanbael" wrote:

> A small update on this old thread:
>
> I got my d3m controller yesterday and Doepfer seems
> to have updated the firmware:
>
> You get shallow triggering (top contact) when you
> turn off key velocity. So no more need
> anymore to customize.
>
> Kind regards,
> Kris Van Bael
>
> --- In CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com, "Hugh Birkenhead"
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Bruce,
> >
> > Of course, I understand now. You clarified
> perfectly. My understanding
> > was that messages of some description were sent
> from the contacts
> > regardless of whether the key was going down or
> up.
> >
> > Of course, this makes the Doepfer pretty useless
> to me "as is", unless
> > Doepfer can be persuaded to help me...
> >
> > ...or maybe not just me. Are there any other D3M
> owners here who would
> > appreciate a shallow triggering mode (i.e. note
> on/off with top
> > contact) to match the response of their clones? If
> you're out there,
> > make yourself known now!
> >
> > Thanks
> > Hugo
> >
> > --- In CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Wahler
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Hugh,
> > >
> > > >Bruce -- does the CX-3 use only the top
> contacts of a keyboard
> > > >connected as the lower manual? What about the
> XK-3 (with boards other
> > > >than the XLK-3), I wonder?
> > >
> > > No, it has no way of receiving the data you are
> looking for. The
> > CX-3 and the VK-8 choose to create a MIDI Note On
> message based on the
> > first switch, but there isn't any provision in
> MIDI to identify that
> > the Note On message is being triggered by the
> first switch, the second
> > switch, or a combination of the two. MIDI doesn't
> send 1st-contact
> > and 2nd-contact data to the receiving devices; all
> of those
> > calculations are done BEFORE the data is sent to
> the MIDI Out jack.
> > The whole first switch/second switch system can
> only be identified
> > INSIDE THE SENDING DEVICE. The receiving device
> cannot tell where a
> > Note On message is derived, and multiple Note On
> messages on one
> > channel are a violation of the MIDI spec.
> (Technically speaking, the
> > CX-3/VK-8 method is a little outside of the MIDI
> specifications. MIDI
> > assumes that all devices will send a single Note
> On message, with
> > velocity information imbedded. In 99% of the
> cases, this will always
> > happen after the 2nd switch closes.)
> > >
> > > If the Doepfer's operation cannot be modified to
> change how it sends
> > Note Ons -- i.e., based on the first switch only
> -- then the receiving
> > device cannot compensate. So, your task is to
> convince Doepfer to
> > create a special mode that is somewhat outside the
> MIDI
> > specifications. I wish you luck, but suspect that
> they will decline
> > to change their product.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > -BW
> > >
> > > --
> > > Bruce Wahler
> > > Design Consultant
> > > Ashby Solutions™
> http://consult.ashbysolutions.com
> > > 978.386.7389 voice/fax
> > > bruce@
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
> > >
> >
>

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