From tonysounds@yahoo.com Tue Apr 17 11:26:43 2007
Subject:Re: Electro 73 -disappointing

Machine Head is the sound of a non-leslied Hammond.

hammond.b3@verizon.net wrote: Deep Purple-ELP
I'd just play something else rather than use no Leslie/sim. I've got great Hammond sounds in my Motifs.
That's the entire sound of the Hammond. Even Booker T used the tremolo speed with his M3.
Jon Lord used Leslies and Marshals
Keith Emerson used both.
AND Jimmy Smith used only Leslies with chorale and tremolo when I saw him.
I think that straight sound came from the fact that in the beginning Leslies only had a tremolo speed not a chorale speed and therefore we've come to believe that jazz organ requires a flat sound.
I disagree and personally find the sound of a Hammond w/out a Leslie/sim to b a very ugly sound.

From: Simon Beck
Date: 2007/04/17 Tue AM 11:28:13 CDT
To: CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [CWSG] Electro 73 -disappointing

I think some of us are getting confused here. By "no Leslie" do you mean the straight, unmodulated sound of a Hammond/clone (e.g. "Green Onions") or do you mean "only using a clonewheel's internal simulator"? Apart from certain very specialised genres (folk, Mambo, certain retro styles) most Hammond playing demands SOMETHING that sounds similar to a Leslie. Whether the clonewheel's internal simulator is up to the job is another matter completely, and of course there are also the questions of mono vs stereo, amp and speaker specifications and whether the same rig can be used for non-organ sounds...

Simon

----- Original Message -----
From: Doug B
To: CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: [CWSG] Electro 73 -disappointing

I couldn't imagine playing with a Leslie or a Leslie sim, unless it was (possibly) in a jazz setting - and I'm no jazz player. Right now I put two amps behind me at 10:00 and 2:00 - the sim in B-4 does a decent job of faking a Leslie. I never could get into the sound of my old Motion Sound unit, it just never sounded right to me.

-Doug

tonysounds wrote:
Sounds like you still need some kind of "leslie". Most rock stuff requires a leslie sound; most country stuff requires a leslie sound; most blues stuff requires a leslie sound. Most soul stuff requires a leslie sound.

But everyone is free to make their own mark. Myself, I like the leslie sound, and prefer a real leslie (or Roadbox3) to sim.

T

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