From goodmanlawrence@videotron.ca Mon Apr 16 10:34:52 2007
Subject:Re: Nord-Hammond clone sound differences

If the basic sound is as good as I heard from the Electro I am intrigued by
the portability.I too don’t really place importance on the sim.

Lawrence



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From: CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Allan Evett
Sent: April 16, 2007 10:59 AM
To: CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [CWSG] Re: Nord-Hammond clone sound differences



Great point, Joan...that was something I alluded to in
a couple of recent posts (my preference for the Nord
organ 'voice' vs. Hammond X? in my current live rig,
plus the situations where B4 has done the trick even
better...); but you have brought this very important
fact right to the forefront.
Granted, I am impressed with the C1; had a chance to
spend some time with it when I was up at Gand Music
recently. For those of you who fit the 'jazz organ
type', it is indeed a 'dream come true'. Right now,
it's not the best choice for my live rig,
logistically. But, I can see a point in the future
where a C1 could fit very well into my situation. Like
Joan, I believe the features of the C1 could help
improve my organ playing: having a tool that would
better facilitate my understanding the styling/nuances
of the legacy of blues & jazz greats who came up
playing B3's, et. al.
True, Joan may be more of a blues player, and I a
musical mongrel (country rock/americana being my
flavor of the decade, it would seem...); but all of
our organ chops - both in current use and in
development - owe a great deal to those jazz and blues
greats mention above. Though players like Benmont
Tench and Steve Winwood have been of great influence
to me (to name a few...), they too have been
influenced greatly by the likes of Jimmy Smith & his
immediate contemporary'-s. I grew up playing
piano/synths, and have only been developing my organ
'voice' for a few years now; so this whole
clonewheel/organ experience has been a blast. It's
like Christmas morning each time I've recently gone to
the studio and see the B3/122 waiting there...
BTW: As Tony discovered recently (and I've experienced
since the late 70's), Gand Music is indeed a cool
place to check all of this stuff out. Joan & Mickey
were a great help in getting me set up with my Nord
Stage 76. Thanks again to them...

Allan

--- joan4263 wrote:

> Adan makes some great points here, and I wanted to
> bring up that IT
> DEPENDS WHAT KIND OF MUSIC YOU ARE PLAYING! (as to
> which clone is
> going to work best for you) The right tool for the
> job, so to speak.
> The Nord C1 gives you the B3 experience - two
> keyboards, upper and
> lower drawbars, and a sound and feel so close its
> practically the real
> thing. For jazz organ types of players, that need to
> carry their own
> axe and don't have the strength to carry a B, this
> is a dream come
> true. If you are a rock player, you may not need two
> manuals (Tony) or
> the subtle nuances, or you might be thrilled to have
> them. (I was
> longing to have them, after playing a real B) But,
> the Nord C1 is
> making a better jazz-style organ player out of me
> (even though I play
> mostly blues) I try to emulate the jazz greats in
> technique and sound.
> As I am continually learning, the C1 is a better
> tool for me to
> improve my organ playing and be inspired by the
> instrument itself to
> play better. We have them in stock now if anyone
> needs one right away.
> Joan
> --- In HYPERLINK
"mailto:CloneWheel%40yahoogroups.com"CloneWheel@yahoogro-ups.com,
"jameslyle01"
> wrote:
> >
> > Adan, I'm also thinking of using C-1 and a Module
> for most of my
> > gigs, May I ask what module you might use? I have
> heard some good
> > things about the GEM RP-X
> > Thanks
> > --- In HYPERLINK
"mailto:CloneWheel%40yahoogroups.com"CloneWheel@yahoogro-ups.com,
"extempor63"
>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I own the C1, a Stage Compact, and a Hammond
> XK-1. I've owned an
> > > electro. Yes, the C1 is improved over the
> Electro and stage. But
> > > we're talking about two great clones that will
> both sound great to
> > > the casual listener. The Stage organ is still
> very pleasing to my
> > > ears. But the C1 has an attitude and
> aggressiveness that is all
> > it's
> > > own.
> > >
> > > The C1 does give you a different playing
> experience, mainly
> > because
> > > the action is so good. I love the action on the
> XK-1, but the C1
> > > captures much better that point-of-contact feel
> that you get on a
> > > real Hammond.
> > >
> > > I think my "bottom line" advice is that if you
> are mostly playing
> > > through a leslie or leslie-equivalent, that will
> tend to even out
> > the
> > > differences between the top tier clones, and the
> C1 will probably
> > not
> > > yield big sonic advantages over the others. If
> on the other hand
> > you
> > > play straight and use onboard leslie sim and
> overdrive, then you
> > > might really appreciate what the C1 brings to
> the table.
> > >
> > > Traveling light is of utmost importance to me.
> Occasionally I
> > play a
> > > big stage, but usually it's an inner city bar
> with a nasty load-in
> > > and a postage stamp stage. Plus, I'm a lazy
> so-and-so who would
> > > rather be working on his first beer than wiring
> up a rotary
> > speaker.
> > > I plan to use just the C1 and a module for about
> 80% of my gigs.
> > > There are some compromises involved with that,
> but overall, it's a
> > > beautiful set up.
> > >
> > > The C1 is already making me less of a
> keyboardist and more of an
> > > organ player. I guess a great instrument will
> do that to you.
> > >
> > > I was planning to sell the XK-1 after I got the
> C1, but by keeping
> > > it, I can keep a great clone sitting in my
> practice space. I
> > still
> > > love the action and the somewhat mellower sound
> of the XK-1. I
> > > suppose it's like someone keeping two B-3 just
> for their different
> > > character.
> > >
> > > Adan
> > >
> > > --- In HYPERLINK
"mailto:CloneWheel%40yahoogroups.com"CloneWheel@yahoogro-ups.com,

> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Excellent advice and just was I was looking
> for. You hit it
> > right
> > > on.
> > > > Now, one more question:
> > > > I read where the 76 has weighted hammer action
> and the compact
> > has
> > > semi-weighted. How does action on the 76 affect
> the organ portion
> > of
> > > the equation. I certainly don't want a piano
> action for organ
> > > playing.
> > > > Chuck
> > > >
> > > > From: tonysounds
> > > > Date: 2007/04/12 Thu AM 11:07:27 CDT
> > > > To: HYPERLINK
"mailto:CloneWheel%40yahoogroups.com"CloneWheel@yahoogro-ups.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [CWSG] Nord-Hammond clone sound
> differences
> > > >
> > > > I don't think so. I've been dwelling on this
> for a couple
> > days.
> > > There are definitely differences between the C1
> and Electro, but
> > the
> > > sonic improvements aren't enough to make me plop
> down $3k. I
> > would
> > > love the improved percussion, key click and
> leslie sim (and the
> > > capability of changing the leslie via momentary
> switching, the way
> > I
> > > like it). But from a sonic standpoint, those
> changes don't
> > warrant
> > > spending that kind of money. I still get great
> enjoyment from my
> > > Electro and will continue to use it until
> something definitively
> > > better comes along. I don't need or even want a
> dual manual
> > clone,
> > > so that is another factor in me holding off. I
> prefer the 73
> > Electro
> > > board for left hand comping, but I'm using organ
> as part of my
> > > palette, not my only color. So take that into
> consideration as
> > > well.
> > > >
> > > > hammond.b3@ wrote: I remember playing
> the NEW B3 and
> > > playing the XK3 in the same room through the
> same Leslie.
> > > > There might have been a slight difference. I
> thought they both
> > had
> > > the same sound producing software. If not it was
> incredibly hard
> > to
> > > tell the difference. There was a hugh difference
> in the action.
> > > > I think Hammond completely missed the boat
> with respect to
> > action
> > > in the new B3. I know it keys bus bars like the
> old B3 but the
> > throw
> > > is completely different since the new B3 keys do
> not have the
> > length
> > > of attachment the old one had. To me it made a
> vast difference in
> > > playin and would certainly keep me away from a
> new B3-not to
> > mention
> > > cost. Besides I got old ones.
> > > > SO-if there is a difference in Hammond sound
> engines it was hard
> > > for me to tell the difference.
> > > > This leads back to the Nord C1 vs Electro
> differences.
> > > > Would one be disappointed in the Electro sound
> if he played the
> > C1?
> > > > I know that's very subjective. Just looking
> for clues.
> > > > Chuck
> > > >
> > > > "The meek shall inherit nothing." -FZ
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