From oldzuto@yahoo.com Fri Sep 22 09:36:12 2006
Subject:Re: Thinking (And thinking...)...now Muse output point

FYI... using the ADAT optical output on the Muse you can route and support 4 seperate stereo outputs which can be selected by any of the 16 Muse channels per patch. So for example, you could route out ADAT stereo ports one to your keyboard amp (or front of house) for all your synth, piano, pad, etc. patches and route out ADAT port two to your Speakeasy preamp and then to your RBIII. You will need to purchase a ADAT "Fanout" box" to convert from the single ADAT cable to the 4 sets of TRS 1/4" jacks. I think someone in this group is currently doing this. I still too lazy to haul around my Leslie so I just use the B4 Leslie sim and do not need the extra ports on the Muse.

tonysounds wrote: Hey Allen,
Regarding the Vk8m, I saw Asia last nite, and that's what Geoff was using for organ: sounded like crap...thin, weasely, and just shrieky. I'm sure he could have programmred it more effectively, but programming is one of his strong points, so maybe it's something more than just drawbar selection?

Anyway, you can do better. I believe the XK module will sound fantastic through the RB3 (I know my XK1 does), but you can't go wrong with a V5 either. Since you'll be useing the RB3, leslie sim is no issue. The one thing I like about the XK series more than anybody else's clone is the way 080000000 sounds. That's become my new litmus test.

I love B4 (the best for leslie-simmed organs bar none). But with the Receptor, you don't have individualized outputs, and you'll want to exploit all that Receptor has to give you, and that can be a problem when it's sharing its outputs with every VST you're using. And to effectively use B4, you'll need a drawbar controller (You have one, right? If not you can have mine...for a price!) You're more than welcome to come over some evening and check mine out....but be forewarned: you'll leave with gear envy, trust me. I got excited about VSTs because of a demo I heard over the phone on Mellotrons and cs80v.

T

Allan Evett wrote:
Both of you have brought up some good points. I get
to play the 'real deal' only on rare occasions -
usually a session when organ is called for, and
there's a Hammond in the studio. I've owned a V5, and
currently use a VK-8M. I did have a cut down M3 years
ago, with a Leslie 147; but eventually the portability
issues moved me into clonewheel territory. And there I
stay, for the time being; yet it always seems that I'm
trying to improve on my clonewheel 'sound'...

Granted, the use of a actual rotary cabinet helps a
lot. But it would be great to hear a vintage Hammond
put through my RB lll. Currently I'm wondering if
taking the plunged into a Muse Receptor is worth the
$$$, as I use NI B4 in my home setup. Plus, the
Receptor has a lot of other great sound applications.
Side to side, the B4 outclasses the VK-8M - to my ears
and those of a few fellow players that have been over
to my space. But the difference is less pronounced
when I A/B the two units through my RB lll (Same
results when I was using a Leslie 44W). So, I'm
wondering if the Receptor is worth the investment.
Plus, I'm curious as to how the new Hammond module
will sound when it hits the streets. Though I must
admit I'm still a tad sore at Hammond/Suzuki for their
bonehead corporate move with Speakeasy...

Allan

--- Ryan Stroup wrote:

> I can speak from personal experience that there are
> certain nuances in
> the tone of a C3 (or any other Hammond) that I'm
> sure no clonewheel
> can reproduce. At least not in the VK-8. The
> difference is not as
> evident when the rotors are twirling around on fast
> or even slow. But
> stop the rotors, and it's almost like night and day.
> If I ever get the
> kind of stupid money to get a real Hammond tonewheel
> organ, and if I
> can ever find the room, I'll have one. I'm very
> thankful my church has
> a C3 and a Leslie 122, that I'm priveleged to play
> almost weekly.
>
> --
> Ryan
>

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