From rockkey@sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 09 05:10:35 2006
Subject:Re: Stand for positioning 2nd manual (e.g. Doepfer) beneath VK-8/CX-3/etc

Hugh,

I have an old cutdown M3 but I'm pretty sure the
manuals are the same distance apart as a B. The
vertical panel (it's metal on mine) is 1 11/16 inches
high from the lower white keytops. There is 9/16 inch
of white keyfront exposed for a total of 2 1/4 inches
from the lower keytops to the upper keytops. I've got
a project on the back burner which involves removing
the top panel of an old synth so the clone's front
will just clear the synth's white keytop (behind where
the black keys cut away). it can't get any closer
unless one tears into the clone's enclosure too. It
just might work : )

Regards,

Rock

--- Hugh Birkenhead wrote:

> For anyone who might be interested, I had the
> modification to the
> QL-641 done and took some photos:
>
>
http://launch.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/CloneWheel/photos/browse/dd31
>
> As you can see, the 2 manuals are now exactly the
> right distance apart
> and both keyboards are rock solid.
>
> This modification will work with any Clonewheel on
> top and takes just
> over an hour, from start to finish. It requires a
> metre-long length of
> 25mm square steel tubing, mig welder, hacksaw, power
> drill and angle
> grinder. It would help to have some black spraypaint
> and plastic
> endcaps too, although I took these pictures just
> before applying them.
>
> Hope this is useful to someone else.
> Hugh B
>
> --- In CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com, "Hugh Birkenhead"
> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for the rig pictures and the offer of help,
> Bob. However, not
> > only do I have no WS-550, I live in the UK,
> several thousand km's away
> > from you!
> >
> > Thanks everyone for the responses I've received to
> this. I'm surprised
> > nobody makes a stand specifically for 'assembling'
> a dual manual organ
> > out of controllers, because it seems enough people
> want to do it.
> >
> > I've ordered a Doepfer D3M, and to position the
> VK-8 above it
> > properly, I've decided I'm going to have custom
> 2nd tier arms made.
> > I'll re-use the screw-tight bosses that attach the
> vertical supports
> > to the rear of the stand, but replace the arms
> themselves with two
> > simple rectangular steel shafts welded together at
> 90 degrees, set at
> > a height to sit millimetres above the D3M.
> >
> > One thing that would be useful getting the manuals
> an authentic
> > distance apart: what is the exact height of the
> vertical plastic panel
> > between the upper and lower manuals on a B3?
> >
> > Hugo
> >
> > --- In CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com, Robert Manzitti
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hugh,
> > > I don't think I can attach pictures with this
> post so I'll try to
> > hit you off line with some of one of my rigs that
> uses doepfer boards
> > and a Quik-Loc WS-550 stand that I modified to
> hold three boards in
> > just about any place you want to put them. If you
> either live close
> > enough to me (Detroit, MI) or want to send me your
> VK-8 and a WS-550
> > stand I do the mods for ya.
> > > Super fast set-up and tear down and very
> sturdy, zero wobble! I
> > have switched several keyboard and places for each
> board with this set
> > up with great results. Currently the top board is
> now a Nord Electro
> > that replaced the CME synth board.
> > > THe boards in the pictures are all controller
> only boards, notice
> > the rack of modules next to the rig (Muse, Motif
> and EMU)
> > > Bob
> > >
> > > Hugh Birkenhead wrote:
> > > Hi again group,
> > >
> > > An original thought occurred to me: why spend
> half a year's pay on a
> > > dual manual organ when I could just buy
> something like a Doepfer
> > > waterfall controller and mount it just below my
> VK-8, exactly where
> > > I'd expect the lower manual to be?
> > >
> > > I can easily buy the Doepfer controller and
> connect it up to the VK-8.
> > > However, I don't think my stand, a QuikLok
> QL-641, is appropriate for
> > > getting the two manuals close enough together.
> > >
> > > Even on the lowest setting, the top tier is
> still twice as high as it
> > > should be. The only 'proper' way to bring it
> down any further is to
> > > tilt it, which leaves the keybed at a horrible
> angle. While I could
> > > always drill new holes in the 2nd tier's
> vertical shafts to allow them
> > > to go further down, the keyboard supports
> themselves are pretty thick
> > > and would put even more distance between the 2
> manuals.
> > >
> > > So, my question is simple enough: are there any
> stands out there that
> > > better suit this purpose, i.e. placing a Doepfer
> or other controller
> > > directly below and in front of a single manual
> clonewheel, with as
> > > little gap as possible between them?
> >
>