From aevett1@yahoo.com Thu Nov 23 15:39:25 2006
Subject:Re: My vote for a separate Speakeasy list

All good points, Bruce...

I've been following this thread - off and on - most of
the day. I think Joan put it quite well when she said:
" Geez everyone! I think we're all entitled to say
what we want on here
- right? So, I'm in favor of postings of all kinds,
and their
comments." That comment rang the most true, to
me-of just about anything that's been put forth on
this subject.

'nuff said, here; at least on my part. Happy
Thanksgiving everyone !

Allan

--- Bruce Wahler wrote:

> Hi Mark,
>
> As the founder of this list, let me add my $0.02
> here.
>
> >So anyway .....I just wanted to add something here.
> The reason I started
> >this thread is that I have observed that for a
> long time, the Speakeasy
> >posts have taken up a large portion of the
> discussion.
> >
> >I am slightly to somewhat uncomfortable with the
> degree of vested
> >interest that the Speakeasy company seems to have
> among this list.
>
> Speakeasy customers are currently quite vocal. Some
> of this is because there are no new,
> latest-and-greatest clone keyboards to discuss.
> Some of it is because Speakeasy products seem to be
> worth buying. At past times, this list has been
> accused of being 1) a Hammond-Suzuki XK-2 list, 2) a
> Korg CX-3 list, and 3) a Nord Electro list. It is
> none of these; however, it's filled with people who
> are very picky about their sound, and very vocal
> about their preferences.
>
> I run a small music business myself, and it's
> flattering to see people point me and my products
> out on this list. I don't offer special discounts
> for glowing reviews on the CW list, however, and I
> suspect that Speakeasy doesn't, either. The
> products should stand on their own merits.
>
> I think the point of David Jacques' post was not
> that Speakeasy double-boxes their products, but that
> they have products that are rugged enough to work
> even when they have visible damage. That's a cool
> thing, and becoming fewer and farther between these
> days.
>
> If some of the members want to form a group which
> focuses on Speakeasy products, that's cool. If
> other members want to form a group that absolutely
> forbids the mention of Speakeasy Vintage Music,
> that's your privilege. Don't try to censor the
> opinions on this list, however; that's NOT what this
> list is about.
>
> I started this list in 1999 as the Voce Support
> Group, which was only open to discussion of Voce
> products. At the time the list started, Voce, Inc.
> was out of business, and most of us were concerned
> about maintaining our Voce products now and in the
> future, and so were interested in ANY information
> that might pertain to buying, repairing, or
> replacing our clone gear. It's interesting to see
> how this list has morphed from a group that craves
> first-hand experience with vendors, into a group
> that is becoming increasingly suspicious of anything
> positive about a vendor's products being offered to
> the list. From my personal perspective, I think
> that this is a shame. If you cannot trust the
> opinions on this list, why bother joining? This is
> a non-commercial list; it doesn't mean that
> commercial products that work well (or poorly) can't
> be mentioned.
>
> And for the record -- since I have been accused of
> being a "pimp" in the past: I am a seller of
> musical equipment, and I am even a Speakeasy dealer.
> However, I was a Speakeasy OWNER before I was a
> DEALER, and started selling their products because
> of their features, quality, and service. Also, my
> music business is a tiny fraction of my annual work,
> and sales to CloneWheel members makes up FAR less
> than 5% of my annual sales; this list is not
> affecting my success or failure -- although at least
> 15-20% of the members ask me for advice from time to
> time. If I'm a pimp, I guess that I'm a pretty
> unsuccessful one. ;-)
>
> Regards,
>
> -BW
>
> --
> Bruce Wahler
> Design Consultant
> Ashby Solutions™ http://consult.ashbysolutions.com
> 978.386.7389 voice/fax
> bruce@ashbysolutions.com
>
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>


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