From mon8169@iservicesmail.com Sun Nov 12 01:16:51 2006
Subject:RE: OT: Setting volumes in a band

yes, there are, but not that much... I'll try first to change the tone
knob or the eq...

Ramon


-----Mensaje original-----
De: CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com] En
nombre de Joost den Hertog
Enviado el: dissabte, 11 / novembre / 2006 19:05
Para: CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com
Asunto: Re: [CWSG] OT: Setting volumes in a band

isn't there place in the memory for more programs which are adjusted to
the rehersal room?

MON8169 schreef:
>
> Hi Joost,
>
> thanks for the tips. Unfortunately we cannot change anything in the
> practice room since we aren't the owners. But I'll try to modify the
> outputs high frequencies. I'm using yamahas and they have a system EQ
so
> just changing the EQ I can hear both, the good sound at home and the
> modified one with the group. Will try it tomorrow and I think it will
> work. As for the organ I'm using a Roland VK8m and I suspect the Tone
> knob won't do right this task. It would be a hassle if Ihad to change
> the internal EQ each time, because it's hard to do without a screen.
>
> As for the pedal, I'm using an expression pedal with a minimum knob
and
> it worked well to change between 2 states, but sadly I'm now playing a
> song which needs a sound to increase its volume from zero on. Another
> problem is that the virtual amp types of the vk8m (I do covers so I
have
> to choose one similar to the original) change the overall volum of the
> module a lot. As a result I have to always change the volume...
>
> Ramon
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: CloneWheel@yahoogro ups.com

> [mailto:CloneWheel@yahoogro
ups.com
> ] En
> nombre de Joost den Hertog
> Enviado el: dissabte, 11 / novembre / 2006 12:19
> Para: CloneWheel@yahoogro
ups.com
> Asunto: Re: [CWSG] OT: Setting volumes in a band
>
> this is the same problem I have all the time.
>
> I have learnd a few things.
> the organ/keyboard sounds are mostley the sme frequency as the guitar
> and bass.
> with a few expeptions.. this is the original EP's and organs. they
have
> a higher overtone frequency but with enough low body to sound nice.
> most digital keyboards sound not that well in the higher regions. and
> most importand the keyboard amplifiers and monitors sounds like crap
> compared to the quality of the samples in the keyboard. try to play
your
>
> keyboard over a hifi set and you know what I mean.
> When the keyboard amp is turned up it get worse and at that time the
> other band players come in rage against you! :-)
> because a guitar amp is becoming more nice at a higher volume.....
>
> there are a few options to obtain;
> build a persplex cabine round the drum kit.
> convince the guitar player he is better of with a oldfashion marshall
> amp with pre tube amp. (the combo amps do always have to sound loud at
> higher frequencies).
> Build or look for a very well monitor (and amp) which has a wide
spread
> of sound in the higher frequencies. (are ther any?)
> And throw away the horndriver and replace it for dome thweeters (or
add
> them to your system) the highs become more nice and appear to be not
too
>
> loud....!
> listen to our keyboard/sound source and analize the sound (quality) in
> perspecive of a rock band.
> I diceded to buy a Kurzweil because the sound is a bit thinner than
the
> most Japanese brands and the highs are a bit fuller than the others.
> when playing on my own I miss some times the wramth of the sound but
in
> a band situation it stands up omongst the others.
> tweak your sound while the others are playing and ask if you may tweak
> there amps to.....??
> maybe buy a EQ
> turn down the lows and mids.
> sometimes a bit more or less high is doing wonders.....
> for the solo's take a midi controler pedal and program two sound
stages
> like a guitar player does with his pedal.
>
> try this steps for fun and you will notice there is a lot to
know,learn
> and tell about it.
>
> I asked a band lately if I may join them. one of the guitarists anwerd
> it was not allowed by the sound engineer......
> I anwerd that had a wise sound engineer. :-)
>
> succes
>
> MON8169 schreef:
> >
> > I play with my band in a practice room without PA so we can only
hear
> > ourselves with the sound coming from our amplifiers. We are having a
> lot
> > of problems setting up the volumes. Usually when I hear myself at a
> > reasonable volume to feel me comfortably, the others say I'm too
loud.
> > When my volume is raised, at louder passages of the songs I play
> almost
> > as I were deaf, without hearing myself, and the others don't hear me
> > too. And I never hear the guitar solos. How do you set the volumes?
> Any
> > recomendation, trick?
> >
> > thanks
> > Ramon
> >
>
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