From smikkel@online.no Sun Jun 04 03:03:03 2006
Subject:Re: EVB3 and Speakeasy tube preamp (vs. XK-3 and RT-20)

Thanks for the replies!

Well, I do agree with the EVB3. Some careful editing, like being careful with distortion tone,
filter age, tonal balance etc.. gives me some really good aggressive sounds. Playing "The
Barbarian" and "Living Sin" on the EVB3 sound shockingly good! :)

I'm no expert with Logic and sound equipment at all, but the reason I talked about using
the Speakeasy as a post-leslie "colouration device" was because I assume it will be
difficulty using it as an insert in logic audio within the digital soundchain, giving me
additional latency? Now I get 5.3 ms latency using the firewire expansion in my UF7
(256/48000 in logic) with my Powerbook. I tried using a guitar tube preamp rack (adjusted
for the least sound colouring) just for fun (after the EVB3 leslie), and it really didn't work.
So I assume the Speakeasy would work better "pre-leslie" with a real leslie, not having it
before a digital effect taking away some of the analog warmth.
Sorry if I'm asking silly questions here, but am I right or completely off? :)
No reason to buy expensive equipment if I don't need it...

Thanks for reading!

>
> These things are of course always a matter of taste.
> For my money the EVB3 already sounds a lot better than the XK-3, it's Leslie sim being
> superior to the RT-20 as well.
> The tube/amp sim in the EVB3 is pretty darn amazing for a digital simulation.
> I record using this software all the time - never felt I had a better B3 sound, even
sounds
> better than one of the real B3's I used to play.
> You might get a little extra warmth from the Speakeasy ( I used to use one with a Voce
V5
> - and liked it a lot ) - but it's an unatural signal path to have the Tube pre after the
leslie
> sim. I think you would get better results from just carefully tweaking the parameters in
the
> EVB3.
> Another big factor is what speaker setup you use, when you play the EVB3 - I use it
> exclusively in the studio, where it kicks butt. Live I have a Roland VK8m ( same Leslie
sim
> as RT-20) running through a pair of Jbl Eon G2's - and it's fine, but nowhere near the
> EVB3.
> Just my two c's
>
> -Kim
>
> --- In CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com, "jblann1" wrote:
> >
> > I think you'd get the best results by putting the Speakeasy, or any
> > other preamp module before any leslie sim.... just how the real deal
> > is chained...... signal-->preamp-->amp(and overdrive etc...)-->rotary
> > effect. I think the speakeasy will give a much better growling
> > overdrive than the rt-20's overdrive.
> >
> > --- In CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com, "music251" wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi!
> > >
> > > I have Powerbook with Logic7.2 and EVB3, which I play through a CME
> > UF7 midikeyboard.
> > > After spending considerable time tweaking and learning how to make
> > the best out of the
> > > plugin's parameters, I have to say I'm really happy with the sound
> > it makes.
> > > I love Keith Emerson's hammond sound, and I've gotten remarkably
> > close with the EVB3.
> > > Though playing hammond organ up front (soundlevel wise) in a
> > rockband, I would prefer
> > > to have the best sound possible. Can anyone tell me how much
> > improvement I would get
> > > using a Speakeasy preamp? I get both heavy and light distortion
> > sounding quite well on
> > > the EVB3 (without the shrillness most other clones has), but never
> > having owned a real
> > > hammond it's difficult for me to judge what I'm missing in sound
> > quality.
> > > Would it be wise to use Speakeasy only for "colouring" the sound,
> > or get a Roland RT-20
> > > leslie pedal also - and use the Speakeasy for heavy distortoin
> > effects (like on "The
> > > Barbarian"). Would this sound considerably better than using the
> > digital distortion effect in
> > > EVB3 with Speakeasy for post-leslie colouring? What kind of specs
> > should I get, when
> > > ordering a Speakeasy (Barker or Howler?)?
> > >
> > > Also, would the XK-3 coupled with the Roland RT-20 sound noticeably
> > better than EVB3?
> > >
> > > Any advice or help would be great!
> > > Thanks for reading.
> > >
> >
>