From djacques@csulb.edu Thu Aug 03 21:53:33 2006
Subject:RE: Question for XK-1 Owners (not chorus rleated)

I will do it tonight before my gig.



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From: CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of M T
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 12:54 PM
To: CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [CWSG] Question for XK-1 Owners (not chorus rleated)



David,

Do me a favor and try the single key tap thing the
next time you are at the XK-3 and let me know.

Thanks!

Mitch

--- David Jacques edu> wrote:

> I have been performing with the XK3 since it came
> out and have not
> experienced this problem. I play the same blues
> licks and hammer trills and
> do not hear any strange noises (other than the ones
> in my head..)
>
> _____
>
> From: CloneWheel@yahoogro ups.com
> [mailto:CloneWheel@yahoogro ups.com]
On
> Behalf Of M T
> Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 12:33 PM
> To: CloneWheel@yahoogro ups.com
> Subject: Re: [CWSG] Question for XK-1 Owners (not
> chorus rleated)
>
> I appreciate your thoughts, David, but I honestly
> think this is a flaw or a bug and here is why:
>
> 1. The sound isn't related to the release click. If
> I
> press the key and then let it go in a normal manner,
> it sounds fine. If I quickly tap the key, I get this
> sound that is hard to explain but is very unmusical
> and un-Hammond like.
>
> 2. I get the exact same weird sound when I use the
> XK-3 as a controller of, say, the EVB3. To me, this
> indicates a keybed/triggering issue because if it
> was
> related to the internal sound in the XK-3, the EVB3
> sound wouldn't react this way...but it does.
>
> Why is this a big deal? Because it effects the sound
> of my playing if I am playing fast lines. It causes
> an
> artifact in the lines and makes them less smooth,
> especially if doing a quick pull off, say Eb-E in a
> blues lick.
>
> I have never been a huge fan of the keys on the XK-3
> (I have had it since the weekend they came out) and
> this might push me to sell it and look into the rack
> unit when it comes out.
>
> I would like reports from others also. Perhaps I
> could
> record this sound and post it. I'll look into it.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Mitch
>
> --- dwowen

> > wrote:
>
> >
> > Revisited these posts after making time to set my
> > XK-3 up. I have no way of knowing if the sound
> > that I hear is the sound that you are describing.
> > Here's an idea that may help determine this...
> >
> > Possible Solution:
> >
> > Under the Drawbar menu there are adjustments for
> > attack and release keyclicks. There are also
> > adjustments for attack and release envelope. Try
> > adjusting the release envelope upward. You may
> have
> > to take it all the way to "15" to dial it
> completely
> > out, but you can completely eliminate it..... we
> > hope. If not, then I suspect it is something wrong
> > with your individual instrument.
> >
> > I sat down at the C3 and did a similar experiment.
>
> > It also has a very un-musical release sound,
> though
> > it varies widely with the physical attack due to
> the
> > 9 bus bar triggers. I am also playing it through a
> > stock 145 Leslie where the XK-3 is running through
> > stereo nearfield monitors.
> >
> > Philosophic notes:
> >
> > I must say that I am quick to criticize gear that
> > doesn't measure up to my expectations (which is
> most
> > of it.) Many of the faults that I can find with my
> > XK-3 are probably inherently caused by Hammond
> > Suzuki going to a lot of trouble to make a clone
> > that shares the foibles of tonewheel Hammond
> > technology. They may have failed in many instances
> > though I think the over-all product is excellent.
> >
> > Many of these user perceived "faults" also
> disappear
> > through a stock Leslie, which the instrument is
> > clearly biased towards in it's "Factory"
> > configuration. The endlessly adjustable parameters
> > help customize it towards other amplification or
> > listening sources.
> >
> > In other words, faults and/or settings that I
> don't
> > like under headphones disappear or need augmenting
> > through a Leslie or amplified sound source. You
> > really have to re-tweak this instrument for each
> > setup. The C3 is a radically different beast
> played
> > through my Speakeasy Road Box III. Just like the
> > XK-3 differs depending on
> > amplification-Leslie-headphones differences.
> >
> > All of this is completely subjective, anyway.
> >
> > Does anybody else see any irony in the idea that
> the
> > classic Hammond Tonewheel sound was the result of
> > Hammond (and of course, Don Leslie) trying to make
> a
> > Clone of a Pipe Organ and failing significantly in
> > many areas?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > David Owen
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: M T
> > To: CloneWheel@yahoogro
> ups.com
> > Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 8:57 AM
> > Subject: Re: [CWSG] Question for XK-1 Owners (not
> > chorus rleated)
> >
> > Barry,
> >
> > Thanks for the report and the idea...but this
> > issue
> > isn't the key release. It's a weird and ugly thing
> > that the XK-3 does...or at least mine does and it
> > always has.
> >
> > I am looking forward to hearing from others.
> >
> > Mitch
> >
> > --- Barry > net>
> wrote:
> >
> > > As I'm thinking, there is a release key click
> > effect
> > > that you might be hearing. That sound can be
> > > removed at the release click page under the (I
> > > think) drawbar menu. It is a typical sound on an
> > > old Hammond, but if you are not used to it, it
> > could
> > > be kind of annoying.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Barry
> > > To: CloneWheel@yahoogro
> ups.com
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 5:33 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [CWSG] Question for XK-1 Owners
> > (not
> > > chorus rleated)
> > >
> > > - No - It sounds like you might have a problem
> > > with the organ if you are getting this kind of
> > sound
> > > on a quick key-up.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: M T
> > > To: CloneWheel@yahoogro
> ups.com
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 10:00 AM
> > > Subject: [CWSG] Question for XK-1 Owners (not
> > > chorus rleated)
> > >
> > > Could you do a quick expirment for me? Tap a key
> > -
> > > just give it a quick, hard, tap so it barely
> > > triggers.
> > > Might be easiest to do on a black key, but any
> > key
> > > would do.
>
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