From goodmanlawrence@videotron.ca Fri Dec 15 14:15:17 2006
Subject:Re: OT: I've been screwed on eBay/Nord88

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From: CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of rrockkey
Sent: December 15, 2006 3:00 PM
To: CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [CWSG] Re: OT: I've been screwed on eBay/Nord88



You mention Craig's List and scrutiny. I think Craig's List is
intended for local cash and carry. IMO if you enter into
transactions in any other way via Craig's List you're just asking,
no, begging to be scammed. Just my $0.02

Rock

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wrote:
>
> Do what I do. Require instant payment for your items. That way
they MUST
> immediately pay for the item through PayPal as soon as they
win it or when
> they use Buy It Now.
>
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> Behalf Of Robert Manzitti
> Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 6:44 AM
> To: HYPERLINK
"mailto:CloneWheel%40yahoogroups.com"CloneWheel@yahoogro-ups.com
> Subject: Re: [CWSG] OT: I've been screwed on eBay/Nord88
>
> You would think with all the sophisticated ways that cyber traffic
is
> tracked within all of our PCs (cookies and such) and how
robust most web
> sites are that when you listed something on E-Bay and select
the option for
> only specific locations to accept bids from, it would
automatically reject
> the ones that don't meet those requirements.
> We all have our E-Bay horror stories. I've got a few too. It's still
the
> best and easiest way to reach such a huge base of
buyers/sellers and
> sometimes ya just gotta roll the dice!
>
> tonysounds com> wrote:
> The two episodes are probably unrelated. Always report such
ebay messages
> first by forwarding them directly to spoof@...
> . You'll know within an hour
whether it was a real
> ebay message or not.
>
> As for the bidder, some people are complete assholes. And
the whole internet
> auction/secondhand commerce thing is predicated on the
principle that people
> are inherently good. (Unfortunately, that's an assinine
assumption in some
> cases.)
>
> Typical example: my NordStage 88 auction was set for US
BIDDERS only, and as
> a no-reserve auction with a Buy It Now option. Simple, right?
Wrong. The
> idiot buyer does buy it now, sends me his contact info with a
bad phone
> number, and says "I am in Toronto Canada, please send me
cost for shipping
> and total amount. It will make a nice Christmas gift for me,
please give me
> a deal." !!!!!! I call UPS and find out to ship an item of that size
and
> weight across US borders will cost $145, and I figure that into
the total
> cost, and email him back, letting him know that as a Buy It
Now, he needs to
> use my PayPal account, which is also set up for a 'no payment
for 60 days'
> option, with a note letting him know that he just got a $4100 list
price
> keyboard with a free Gator Case for $2700 and shipping, and
that was a
> plenty good deal. Then I found out ToolTime is a newbie, and
that the phone
> number is nonexistent and needless to say, he hasn't
responded to any
> emails.
>
> I can't file a non-paying bidder for another 7 days, it will take
another 14
> days to get a final value credit and free relist, and that of course
puts me
> past Christmas. THANKS douchebag!
>
> As for why I say "US Bidders Only"? 4 years ago, I had an ebay
rating of
> stellar: over 150 items sold with no complaints, no
unsatisfactory ratings,
> and a jerk from Italy buys my Studio Electronics SE1 rack
minimoog for a
> great price of $800. He then tells me to ship it to him with no
insurance. I
> say "no way." He begs and pleads saying the tarriffs are killer,
and he does
> this all the time, ship it AirFreight USPS or some such
nonsense, and don't
> insure it. He gives me exact instructions on how to do this
transaction HIS
> way, I save every single email between us in a folder, he pays
me, I
> capitulate. A month later he wants to know where his item is, I
give him the
> tracking number. The long n short: because it was not insured,
the USPS can
> only track this item to its departure from US territory: I have no
idea what
> happened to it after that, he gets irate, even though he can see
that I did
> indeed ship the item, but reports me to Ebay Germany (??!!!!
Ebay Germany?
> This was a Ebay US deal with an Ebay ITALY customer, but go
figure), and
> they just CANCEL my priviliges. No dispute resolution, no
FairPlay, or
> SQUARE TRADE, nothing. Zip, cancel, gone. I try to resucitate
my privileges
> by providing proof of shipment, proof of his desire to scam his
government
> out of their taxes/duties, to no avail.
>
> I had to start all over again, and said at that point, no non-US
bidders, no
> non-insurers. I guess now I have to say "no buy it nows"
because I could
> have rejected this pinhead's bid since he was a no-rating
foreign buyer had
> I not had Buy It Now as an option.
>
> I'm not sure what kind of safety net Craigs List offers, but at
least with
> Ebay, there is a semblance of 'patrol'....-weak as it may be.
Considering
> that 99.8 percent of my dealings on ebay have been problem
free, it could be
> worse. The only other issue I had was when I purchased a
used Roland JV3080
> on ebay ($810) from a seller down in Atlanta with a decent
rating. Long n
> short: he stiffed me. I reported him. He listed the item again,
under a
> psuedonym, and I warned his bidders this was a fraudulent
character (the
> wording in his auction was the giveaway to his identity), and
sure enough,
> the winner disregarded my warning, and paid:he receiv'd no
item, and emailed
> me back. I started searching 3080s and found this cretin
relisting under at
> least 10 different names, but always giving himself away, and I
kept
> reporting him to ebay. I did some detective work and got his
phone number
> and actually spoke to him; he denied his identity. I reported him
to the
> States
> Attorney's office in Atlanta (he was in Marietta, just outside).
Finally,
> about 2 years later, I get a call from the State's Attorney,
wanting to know
> if I'll press charges. "HELL YES!" Will you come and testify?
"HELL YES."
> This asshole actually defraud ebayers out of over $100,000 in
a 6 month
> period. The case changes prosecutors 3times, but I get a call
asking if I
> would accept a full refund plus interest for my troubles as part
of his plea
> bargain. While it chapped my ass to do it, I took the money. I
got a check
> in 90 days (almost 3 years after the fact) for the full amount.
>
> My advice: list the item again, be vigilant about filing your
complaint, and
> set your auctions up with wording that you reserve the right to
cancel all
> bidders with a bad rating, or a bad review, and all foreign
buyers at your
> discretion.
>
> That said, anyone want to buy a Nord 88 for Christmas with a
free case? I'll
> sell it cheaper than my auction so that I don't need to relist
it....in 10
> days.
>
> T
> Josh Lawrence com> wrote:
> Guys, I'm just venting here. Totally OT, so if you don't want to
read
> about eBay woes, delete now.
>
> I posted an item two weeks ago, and it sold for a good price.
The
> next day I received an email alert from eBay (verified it
> independantly by logging on to eBay and finding the same
exact
> message, it had no links to click on, etc...in other words, not a
> spoof) that eBay had changed my account pwd, and that my
account had
> been compromised. So I went to the eBay site (again, NOT a
clicked
> link, but actual www.ebay.com) and changed my pwd and
checked all of
> my personal information, pending bids, etc. Everything is cool.
Now
> the buyer won't respond to me or pay me for my item. I tried to
> report him as a non-paying bidder, but dammit, the dispute
console
> gets two steps into the process ("What has been done so far"),
dies,
> and goes right back to the first step. WTF? I have no money,
still
> have the item I don't want, and my account has lost its
credibility
> with buyers and with me. I'm pissed.
>
> There has GOT to be a better place to sell yer used musical
gear that
> isn't plagued with all of this crap. Is craiglist my only hope?
That
> doesn't work too well - I live in a town of 100,000, and exactly
two
> people MIGHT care about having my item.
>
> I'm just pissed. Snakes on a plane pissed. You guys have this
problem
> before?
>
> Clonewheel content: The item was the E-mu module I recently
bought.
> The sound is NOT for me.
>
> --
> Josh Lawrence
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