From tonysounds@yahoo.com Fri Apr 28 11:19:54 2006
Subject:Re: Poor man's MKIII/Shameless plug

Hey Allan, if you're in town and not working tonite, my band HELLO DAVE (www.myspace.com/hellodave and www.hellodave.com) will be performing at Wise Fools Pub (http://wisefoolspub.com/) tonite starting at 10:30. The rig: Motif 8/Yorkville 300K, Xk3/Speakeasy RBiii. Good place to check it out as it's mostly stage volume there!!!
T

Allan Evett wrote: Hmm....it's a tempting idea, until I can afford the
MKIII+ (yeah, I'll go for the whole 'ball o' wax'...).
And, I do have an EQ, plus a Barbetta 32 that would
fit the bill. But, my experiences with Motion Sound
stuff have been similar to Tony's...I wonder though,
if that new Pro 3-X would do the trick - 'black' horn
and all. ('Poorer' man's MKIII ?) Could work, but
then again - everything I've owned by Motion Sound has
ended up on Ebay, at a loss...I'm glad for those of
you who've made MS stuff work in your rigs, but each
of my units either had something wrong, or was
designed in such a way that it didn't work 'right' for
my application. Biggest disappointment was my KBR-3D:
There are no separate level controls for stage volume
vs. main output volume. Big problem for my stage rig;
and most of the players I know agreed, as well. Yet,
John Fisher and I went around in circles on that one
for about two weeks; he just didn't see the need for a
mod. To his credit, he sent me a schematic; but no
tech I spoke with could find a way to add separate
level controls. Plus, John's approach was to try and
get me to adjust my thinking about the need for that
separate stage level...

So, with all due respect to John Fisher and Motion
Sound: You make a quality product, and I know of many
loyal users that love their MS gear. That's a good
thing. But, when I've got all of my pennies gathered,
I'll likely be casting my lot this time with
Speakeasy and the MK III +...

Allan

--- tonysounds wrote:

> I've never really understood the concept of nixing
> an idea before you've actually
> seen/tasted/smelled/heard its results. ("But I
> don't LIKE broccoli momma!" "How do you know baby?"
> "I just DO!")
>
> But for those of you in love with the "motion"
> sound, this is probably the perfect workaround. If
> you're convinced that the Motion Sound stuff sounds
> like the real deal, you really have no reason to go
> any further.
>
> For those of us who for whatever reason who aren't
> or weren't convinced (we just didn't tweak it right,
> or our trim pots never matched up to the holes
> *yeah, that happened to me too on both versions*, or
> we just simply can't refrain from comparing it to
> our real deal) well, it's like pouring Velveeta on
> brussels sprouts ("But I don't LIKE brussels
> sprouts!" "How do you know baby?" "Because I tried
> them, and I friggin hated em!")
>
> The sound of an all-tube signal path aside, this
> solution just doesn't take into account the lower
> crossover point, the more powerful horn, and the amp
> tweaks that make the MkIII so special, and yes, so
> believable. Regardless, a high five should go out
> to Walter for coming up with a cost-effective
> workaround while you save your pennies; not only
> will it help you bide your time, but it'll probably
> spur you on to save faster/harder!
>
> It's funny how no one else has really commented on
> the idea of no upper rotor: guess that's a trend
> that will never see the light of day!
>
> T
> jake92028 wrote:
> Okay, until this 'no-low-rotor' thing runs its
> course - or not - I
> figured out a great work-around for those that want
> to get close
> to 'the real deal' sound to use until they've
> scrimped and saved
> enough bucks to get one.. or the trend passes.
>
> You never know about these things. I always thought
> the goal we've
> been inching toward the last few years was to get
> the best-sounding
> Leslie simulator, i.e., the original horn and rotor
> with believable
> balance and speeds plus transit times and separation
> of sound
> between the two. As the goal got closer we've had
> some great
> products from Motion Sound approaching real Leslie
> rotary sound,
> like the Pro-3 with low rotor simulator, then the
> KBR-M, and even
> better, the Pro-3T/LoPro, and finally the Pro-145
> with rotary horn
> and drum plus 200 watts. While the mechanical
> solution was getting
> better, so were the onboard Leslie rotary
> simulations on our organ
> keyboards, the Roland VK organs and VCombo, Nord
> Electro; and
> outboard boxes like Spin, Korg G4, and just recently
> the Boss RT-20.
>
> But to keep up with the latest evolution in
> 'Leslie,' you've got to
> turn that bass rotor off, so here's the deal:
>
> All you need is a Pro-3T, a mono 'Y' line adaptor,
> and a good bass
> amp - even your usual keyboard amp you've been using
> for the low
> rotor simulation. But most important, you need a
> good graphic
> equalizer. These don't have to be expensive - I got
> one from Radio
> Shack, an RCA model for $69 that's perfect for this
> setup.
>
> So you set up your Pro-3T and connect the output
> from your organ
> keyboard or module to the 'Y' adaptor's input. One
> line from
> the 'Y's output goes to the usual connection on the
> Pro-3T, the
> other line goes to the graphic equalizer. Slide all
> the graphic
> equalizer sliders above 800Hz all the way to the
> bottom, removing
> any sound above 800Hz. Don't plug the low rotor
> simulation from the
> Pro-3T into your bass amp or keyboard amp. Instead,
> plug the output
> of the graphic equalizer into your amp, and you've
> got a 'poor man's
> MK III' - rotary horn upper, and in-your-face woofer
> sound.
>
> Alright eh? You've got that sound and time to save
> for the real
> deal, or to see if it's a temporary thing.
>
> If the trend changes to no horn also, you've already
> got your
> keyboard amp, no problem. ..heh heh.. Wj
>
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