From bardian@usadatanet.net Sun Oct 30 09:30:55 2005
Subject:Re: The Great Gimme Some Lovin' Debate

He is a great guitar player. I remember on the Blind Faith record, both he
and Eric Clapton were playing solo parts, and after some of the sessions,
neither could tell who was playing what!

----- Original Message -----
>I don't know whether this helps or hurts this discussion, but when I saw
>Winwood perform this song at SummerFest in Milwaukee this
> last July, he pretty much stayed in the middle octave of his Hammond, and
> not reaching up to the top octave for either the trademark
> riff or the chorus (and because we play this song sometimes, I was looking
> for this specifically). I was fairly close and could see
> him quite well from a slightly behind and to the side angle, so I was able
> to see where on the manual(s) he was playing things, but
> unfortunately I couldn't make out any drawbar settings.
> It was also amazing to watch him kick bass (no bass player this tour),
> comp with his left hand, solo with his right, and sing with
> feeling, all at the same time! And he also plays guitar - really, really
> well. I always liked Winwood a lot, but I have to admit
> that I had no idea at just how accomplished a musician he really is. Go
> out of your way to see him if you get the chance.
>
> Ed Fliege
> k2mojo@groovedaddies.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruce Wahler"
>
> Hi All,
>
> I did some playing around with the song and the registrations today, and I
> learned some things:
>
> 1. To my ears, the sound of the upper manual isn't quite the simple
> formula that was mentioned a couple of days ago (white drawbars
> on 8, black drawbars on 4, brown drawbars on 0) -- but it's close. After
> a lot of playing around, I settled on 00 8888 444. You
> need more of that third harmonic to make the sound fill, and the 1'
> drawbar is too screechy on 8 for my liking. YMMV.
>
> 2. Obviously, overdrive plays a part in the sound, but not as much as I
> thought. Part of the reason for the overdrive is that the
> bass hand is playing a line that parallels -- but doesn't copy -- the
> guitar/bass riff (da-da-da-da da-dum). The lower manual is on
> either 88 8000 000 or 88 8800 000 (I'm not sure), and is alternating
> between an octave G (or whatever your root note is) for two
> beats, and then just the bottom G for the next two beats (G8---, G---,
> G8 ---, G---,). This adds the signature growl, without
> resorting to using two hands, which I've seen players do. Two hands
> provides too much beating between the notes, IMHO. If the
> overdrive is too heavy for your particular setup, try dropping the left
> hand values to 7's.
>
> 3. Two lines feel more natural to me when they're only an octave apart
> (on the keys). More like a piano player, which was what
> young Stevie Winwood was really, back in the mid-'60s.
>
> 4. If you just GOTTA use the top octave -- because it feels more natural,
> or because it looks cooler -- then you have to remember
> that the balance between the drawbars isn't exactly 1:1 on a Hammond.
> Even though 88 8800 000 played an octave higher SHOULD sound
> just like 00 8888 000, it doesn't. The closest approximation to 00 8888
> 444 that I could find was 68 6854 2000 on my BX-3. And
> it's not perfect, because the damn 1-3/5' drawbar has no lower
> counterpart. But it's close. Again, YMMV.
>
> Regards,
>
> -BW
>
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