From oldzuto@yahoo.com Sat Oct 29 20:58:47 2005
Subject:Re: The Great Gimme Some Lovin' Debate
Bruce,
This group never ceases to amaze me! The details of most ongoing threads are very cool.
Gotta add me 2 cents worth on this one, as the band I'm in does this song, in fact it's on our marketing demo CD and we always get a "you guys do an awesome job on that song' from club folks. It also has been one of my favorites since I was a kid so I've been trying to get the "perfect" sound to my ears for a long time.
I too use the middle octave, using an XK3 with 00 8888 664. To get the dirt I have my Leslie at full tilt. I was never able to get the sound I wanted till I bought a Speakeasy Road Leslie which gets real dirty when pushed to it's limit. I have since modified my own 145 Leslie to most of the same mods that Speakeasy does with one exception; I use a 8 ohm woofer from Audiopile (great place for cables, mics and speakers..another recommendation from a fellow member from this group...thanks Ed Fleige!) that adds a ton more low end punch and growl. Gotta be a little bit careful though cause the Leslie amp is not made to handle an 8 ohm load and if you run it flat out all the time you can run into problems. This is most likely not the correct, or exact sound that Winwood got, but it sure kicks butt in a live setting.
As to the left hand, I play an accent E note on the piano (da, da, da, da, da, E) during those parts of the song and chord the G to C riff during the verse that to my ears makes the song sound so much more correct.
Of course this is my opinion...and like wine, one man's wine is another man's vinegar!
Bruce Wahler wrote:
Hi All,
I did some playing around with the song and the registrations today, and I learned some things:
1. To my ears, the sound of the upper manual isn't quite the simple formula that was mentioned a couple of days ago (white drawbars on 8, black drawbars on 4, brown drawbars on 0) -- but it's close. After a lot of playing around, I settled on 00 8888 444. You need more of that third harmonic to make the sound fill, and the 1' drawbar is too screechy on 8 for my liking. YMMV.
2. Obviously, overdrive plays a part in the sound, but not as much as I thought. Part of the reason for the overdrive is that the bass hand is playing a line that parallels -- but doesn't copy -- the guitar/bass riff (da-da-da-da da-dum). The lower manual is on either 88 8000 000 or 88 8800 000 (I'm not sure), and is alternating between an octave G (or whatever your root note is) for two beats, and then just the bottom G for the next two beats (G8---, G---, G8 ---, G---,). This adds the signature growl, without resorting to using two hands, which I've seen players do. Two hands provides too much beating between the notes, IMHO. If the overdrive is too heavy for your particular setup, try dropping the left hand values to 7's.
3. Two lines feel more natural to me when they're only an octave apart (on the keys). More like a piano player, which was what young Stevie Winwood was really, back in the mid-'60s.
4. If you just GOTTA use the top octave -- because it feels more natural, or because it looks cooler -- then you have to remember that the balance between the drawbars isn't exactly 1:1 on a Hammond. Even though 88 8800 000 played an octave higher SHOULD sound just like 00 8888 000, it doesn't. The closest approximation to 00 8888 444 that I could find was 68 6854 2000 on my BX-3. And it's not perfect, because the damn 1-3/5' drawbar has no lower counterpart. But it's close. Again, YMMV.
Regards,
-BW
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Bruce Wahler
Design Consultant
Ashby Solutions™ http://consult.ashbysolutions.com
978.386.7389 voice/fax
bruce@ashbysolutions.com
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