From jake92028@yahoo.com Sun Oct 23 03:20:06 2005
Subject:Re: Muddy Nord

--- In CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Wahler wrote:
> For other clone owners: The principals that I used -- boosted upper
midrange, no ultra-treble, tube preamp -- apply to any clone out
there. The exact settings will probably change. They did change a
little with v2.0 of the CX-3 OS.

Bruce, seriously, I realized for the first time during these past EQ
posts that CWSG doesn't have a "Utility" EQ parameter list so we are
comparing apples to apples, not apples to oranges, i.e., currently
players work from terms like "low, low mid, mid, high mid, upper, high-
upper," (ultra-treble is new to me : ) etc all the time. Only a
few "info-posts" list the specific frequencies they mean and how much
exactly or in what range like, "a little bit, a moderate amount, scoop
some from the midrange," etc. I think many players trying to find
the "sweet spot" sound for their particular keyboard->(mixer?)->amp
chain go from online "info post" direct to knob tweaking only guessing
at a value and frequency per what is to their mind, "midrange," for
example.

And to confuse matters even further there are the "parametric" EQ
controls onboard some keyboards and most outboard mixers (-12, -6,
Zero, +6, +12) for Bass, Mid, Low. The Electro has a "Presence" control
intended for the Clavinet, which turns out to be quite useable/useful
for all the Piano-related instruments along with an on/off Bass and
Treble boost/cut. Unfortunately this Bass/Treble control is all that's
available to the Organ, Presence can't be enabled for it.

And this brings us to "shelving" EQ which boosts/cuts usually ± 12-15
at specific frequency points. I have to admit I don't quite "get" the
reason for this, or quite what it's doing - it works and I can hear the
difference fortunately - but I don't "know" what I'm doing. It seems
that this shelving knob simply puts me in a "ballpark" when I want to
use the EQ to make adjustments! My old Mackie stereo 1202 only has the
shelving option on High and Low, like all the newer less expensive mini-
mixers many players now use for various utility functions. Even the old
Mackie 1202 mixer says to adjust the midrange by lowering the High and
Low shelving which leaves more middle.. Gimme a break :(

How about adopting an acceptable list for CWSG for:

Low to Low-Mid
Low-Mid to Mid
Mid to High-Mid
High-Mid to Treble
High-Treble to?

With a definition of Shelving EQ ± Low to High

Maybe there's already a list out there on the Internet or in someone's
tech references at home, that we could all agree to and put in the
Files section for reference - so we could all be working from the same
page - on the same keyboards when possible, like all the work you've
done on your CX3/BX3. My 2± for tonight. Walter j