From tonysounds@yahoo.com Wed Oct 19 21:59:57 2005
Subject:Re: Why Doepfer

I thought I read that the CME don't have memory. That
can't be accurate though, right????

T

--- Bruce Wahler wrote:

> Hi Norm,
>
> Another keyboard to consider is the CME UF8 (88-key
> weighted) or UF7 (76-key semi-weighted). It has a
> good collection of knobs and switches, but only two
> zones. (At least, at the current time. The OS can
> be updated, and a number of owners have requested
> more zones. Who knows?)
>
> I have info on my site, if you are interested.
>
> Regards,
>
> -BW
>
> --
> Bruce Wahler
> AshbySolutions.com™
> http://music.ashbysolutions.com
> 978.386.7389 voice/fax
> bruce@ashbysolutions.com
>
> At 05:33 PM 10/19/2005 -0700, you wrote:
> >Thanks Bruce. I trust your reports. My guy (Lionel)
> at Petosa Music here in Seattle just told me the
> same thing. Not everyone likes the keyboard but good
> stuff for the price. He also has a Muse Receptor in
> stock now and is getting to know it so I will demo
> this combination soon. Thanks guys!
> >Norm
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Bruce Wahler
> >To: CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com
> >Sent: 10/19/2005 4:05:42 PM
> >Subject: Re: [CWSG] Why Doepfer
> >
> >Hi Bob (et al),
> >
> >You're very welcome, even if I didn't know I was
> pointing you toward the Doepfer keyboard. ;-)
> >
> >I just noticed that AudioMIDI.com is listing the
> LMK2+ and LMK4+ as "discontinued" -- is this so?
> >
> >Some general comments to the group: As I recall,
> Bob's MIDI setup was very ambitious; probably more
> complex than many list members need. For those who
> don't need eight zones, you might want to consider
> the M-Audio Keystation 88 Pro. I've had one now for
> over a year and I really like it.
> >
> >Pros/Features:
> >
> >- Four zones
> >- 88 weighted keys with 9 velocity curves (not
> programmable)
> >- Nine programmable sliders with drawbar mode
> >- 24 programmable knobs
> >- 22 programmable buttons
> >- inputs for volume/expression pedal + 2 sustain
> pedals
> >- each knob/switch/etc. can be programmed to
> almost any CC on any channel
> >- USB or AC adapter powered
> >- Nice big display
> >- 10 setup memories
> >- Under $500 street (I paid $425 for mine on sale
> at GC)
> >
> >Cons:
> >
> >- Keyboard doesn't quite feel like a grand piano
> -- it feels like a '68 Fender Rhodes, complete with
> the bounce on release
> >- Black keys are shorter than a standard grand
> piano key
> >- No aftertouch
> >- Needs a case
> >
> >For my needs, four zones is plenty -- often 1-2
> more than I need -- and the lack of aftertouch is a
> minor thing. (I programmed one of the knobs to send
> aftertouch messages, so I can still use the
> function, just not in the intended manner. People
> badmouth the key action: it's an acquired taste,
> but quite useable, IMHO. I've also hear a lot of QC
> issues bantered about: uneven key height, flaky
> action, etc. I've seen none of that on mine.
> >
> >Is it the "end-all" master keyboard? No. For
> <$500(USD), though, it's a great keyboard. Lots of
> programmability, and the large collection of knobs
> allows me to dedicate some of them to each sound
> source. I don't know about others, but I like to
> pre-queue my sounds, so I often turn knobs on the
> NEXT sound module, so it will be ready when I call
> it up. It doesn't have 128 memories like the
> Doepfer, but it can call up all 128 MIDI programs,
> and will do so on all active zones at once. I use
> it with a Virus C and two QSRs, and interleave them
> by creating blank programs when I only want one
> module. That way, I leave all of my modules active
> at all times.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >-BW
> >
> >--
> >Bruce Wahler
> >Design Consultant
> >Ashby Solutions™
> http://consult.ashbysolutions.com
> >978.386.7389 voice/fax
> >bruce@ashbysolutions.com
> >
> >At 10:00 AM 10/19/2005 -0700, you wrote:
> >>Norm,
> >>Sorry on the delay in answering this question...I
> just now read it!
> >>I bought the Doepfer mainly because it handled so
> many zones, presets and options within each
> zone/preset. This all started when I was looking for
> a way to change all mine and the bands midi
> controlled modules/keyboards/effects/lights/etc.
> with a single push of a button. I found it to be a
> royal pain just to switch the patches for each
> device between songs. It was almost taking as long
> as the song! At first all I could find were PC based
> seq. programs like Cakewalk and Digital performer
> but those were a total overkill for me, as I did not
> want "a band in a box" or any seq. music, just a way
> to quickly switch patches. Bruce Walher (sp?) from
> this group who sells Midi Solutions devices to many
> of us is the one who gave me the idea (without even
> know it...thanks Bruce!) I was picking his brain one
> day on how to control all this stuff and he was
> giving me some work arounds with Midi Solutions'
> products. He mentioned that what I really needed was
> a "controller" that had enough zones
> t
> >o
> >> control all the devices. Being new to the whole
> world of Midi it didn't register that a controller
> can be a keyboard...I was thinking of a PC or some
> other piece of hardware! Duh!
> >>I surfed for a long time looking at all the
> controllers and none of them had enough zones and
> horse power to do what I wanted. I stumbled on the
> Doepfer site by someone's post about the D3m
> waterfall style keyboard model (which I also own and
> is a very nice organ controller) and when I was
> looking at that board on the Doepfer web site I seen
> the LMK4+.
> >>The fact that it's light, built into it's own case
> and has a great feel are all extras!
> >>Bob
> >>
> >>Hi Bob and all,
> >>So I checked the archives regarding other
> controllers, StudioLogic, M-Audio, etc. and it
> seems the Doepfer is heads above the competition and
> is probably the way to go, right? Obviously you did
> your research before buying. Tell us more why you
> chose Doepfer. Thanks,
> >>Norm
> >>
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