From tonysounds@yahoo.com Mon Oct 17 16:31:40 2005
Subject:Re: Native Instruments B4 version 2

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--- Damon Fibraio wrote:

> OK, I am new to the software synth angle of things,
> considering my rig is
> all hardware, i.e. motif es7, kurzweil k2661, alesis
> ion, roland xv5080,
> korg triton rack, roland vk8m and now a novation a
> station. Can somebody
> point me to a link to this muse receptor so I can
> read about it? Thanks.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Norman Peterson
> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 3:22 PM
> To: CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [CWSG] Re: Native Instruments B4
> version 2
>
> Wow Tony I had to read your post twice! I think you
> should be commended for
> not just sticking you toe in the water but jumping
> in head first with this
> rig and a show playing complete Pink Floyd albums
> for material to cover.
> Yeah! Yo da man! I have been researching this stuff
> a lot myself. It IS the
> wave of the future. How can KORG expect to sell this
> Oaysis rig for 8 grand
> when you can pop all this stuff into the Receptor
> for so much less $$$?
> Upon reading about the the B4 ll it seems like a lot
> more features were
> added. Different Leslie models, etc. I heard some
> samples of the NI
> Acoustik piano that sound quite nice and the FM7 was
> cool and Elektrik piano
> had nice rhodes and wurlies. There is a Rick Wakeman
> video at the M-Audio
> site demoing a bunch of these programs. M-tron,
> Oddity, Minimonsta,etc. I
> don't see how hardware synth manufacturers can
> continue to compete with
> software synths. I am no big computer music guy
> myself but the plethora of
> sounds available is just to tempting not to jump
> into this. Plus the
> nostalgia factor of the great keyboards and synths
> of the past being
> available so easily and sounding so great. Thanks
> for the answer back Tony.
> I'll be calling you soon!!! Pick your brain!
> Norm
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: tonysounds
> To: CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: 10/17/2005 11:48:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [CWSG] Re: Native Instruments B4
> version 2
>
> Hey Norm...
>
> First, I'm using B4, not "II", although I will
> upgrade soon as possible.
>
> Ok, where to start. I don't use...or haven't until
> now, but I can see this
> is all about to change drastically, computers with
> music. So my learning
> curve was more of a Hard Banking Turn.
>
> SYNTHWARE
> Learning to use the soft synths was easy: the
> interface is dummy-proof (in
> other words, made for me!), and editing is a breeze
> if you're familiar with
> the instrument being modeled. B4 gave me options
> and tones not available in
> my other clones. The leslie sim is very good, and
> I'm in love with it.
> It's tweakable on almost all fronts, and through an
> amp, sounds fantastic.
>
> Pro-53 is killer, and gets those Prophet 5 sync-lead
> tones that just
> scream!!!
>
> MiniMonsta blew me away and next to B4, may be my
> favorite; it's definitely
> my most used, right behind B4. It sounds fat,
> aggressive, smooth, and the
> "knobs" do what I remember them doing, the way I
> remember them. It has
> built in delay (unlike my old Mini), and makes me
> smile every time one of my
> sounds comes up. AWESOME!
>
> I used M-Tron on a couple songs ("In the Flesh" and
> the vocal section in
> "Time") and it sounds just like you think it should.
> It shares the quirky
> tape "artifacts" that influence ...er...dictate the
> way you play the
> mellotron, so all in all, pretty cool.
>
> I didn't use the CS80 program in the show, but I
> played with it quite a bit
> just to hear it. That's an awe-inspiring program,
> and captures the unique
> sound of the CS80 very faithfully.
>
> The Muse Receptor enables this whole thing to work.
> I can only imagine the
> grief I would have encountered using a computer
> live; the dread of a crash,
> gear that doesn't work well with each other, and
> other "quirks" really
> helped push me to get the Receptor; before buying
> any of this stuff I went
> to the G-Spot (Gtr Ctr) and Sam Rash to audition
> some of these programs.
> That was a waste of time, as both of these stores
> have let their licenses
> lapse, so you can't hear anything except the Korg
> Legacy stuff, and whatever
> is new that month (Spectrasonics' Atmosphere). Rash
> had Ivory to demo, and
> they were running 2 very big (3.2 gig) Macs, and
> that thing couldn't play a
> simple chord change without glitching; there wasn't
> even a sustain pedal
> hooked up. This scared me, but the power of these
> softsynths was too
> alluring, so after being disappointed that this
> wouldn't work out, I decided
> to look into the Receptor thanks to a few earlier
> posts on this group, and a
> mention in Keyboard's interview with Jordan Rudess.
>
> Let me say up front, if you're going to use this in
> a live application and
> run more than one program at a time, SPEND THE MONEY
> and fully upgrade to
> the 160 or 200 gig HardDrive, and get 2 Gig of RAM.
> I only upgraded to 1gb,
> and I'm going to rectify that eventually.
>
> When the Nord Stage didn't pan out for me as a
> controller, I was going to
> start hunting for an A90, but Robert M on this group
> recommended the
> Doepfer. After researching that, I decided to give
> a whirl. There's a free
> editor available for it that has quirks of its own,
> which are easily
> surmounted, but the never ending grief I experienced
> with my USB-Midi
> interface caused me lots of unnecessary headaches,
> and slowed me down.
>
> While waiting for my Doepfer to arrive, I mapped out
> everything I would need
> for the show. Since I already had done a lot of
> work using my Electro,
> FantomX7 and Motif, it was simply a matter of
> reducing the keyboards (from 3
> to 2, a real objective of mine), and figuring out
> what sound should go
> where, and any octave transposition that would need
> to occur, and which hand
> would be able to reach it; then, figuring out what
> footpedal/switch could
> activate modulation, leslie speed, volume messaging
> since my hands couldn't
> do it. Of course, knowing while some sounds I was
> happy with, and knowing
> others I wasn't, it was also a matter of knowing
> which sounds I would need
> to develop (the easy part!).
>
> I spent all of last Saturday, about 8 hours trying
> to get things to work,
> and failed miserably. I called Robert M on Sunday
> and he was gracious
> enough to spent about 5 hours on the phone helping
> me troubleshoot and get
> going. It took us 5 hours to get one set-up
> complete because of all the
> weirdness going on; it took 40 minutes for the next
> one. After that, I
> could program the layouts in about 20minutes or
> less, depending on their
> complexity (thanks to my pre-weekend planning).
> Further grief with my
> USB-midi interface screwed me over later, but Robert
> took a couple short
> calls from me, and kept me on track. GREAT GUY!!!
>
> Since this is already getting verbose, I'll try to
> keep
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