From aevett1@yahoo.com Fri Nov 25 10:01:40 2005
Subject:Re: Advice needed regarding "Stagepiano" issues.

Joe..I play a P250 for a church gig, and use my own
S90 ES for my band/session work. Both are great
'boards in their own right. Though the piano
samples/soundsets are different, there is a certain
clarity/presence in both instruments that leaves many
other models/brands behind, IMO.
Thankfully, the S90 ES is much lighter for transport;
but, having had an S90, I must say the extra length is
taking some getting used to. It's been much easier to
bump into things with it...

Let me know how things go in Boston. I'm curious as to
what your impressions will be.

Allan

--- joek1000 wrote:

> I'm also not thrilled with the accoustic pianos in
> my ES rack. I prefer the P200 sound. But
> the "Natural" piano sound in the S90 ES is a
> different sound from the ES rack. The reviews
> say it as a new piano sound and to my ears it is a
> big improvement.
>
> I'll probably go into Boston and see if I can AB it
> with a P250. The lighter weight and
> inclusion of the ES sounds makes it attractive. Plus
> I liked the action.
>
> Joe
>
> --- In CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com, tonysounds
> wrote:
> >
> > Actually I prefer the pianos in my Motif (non-ES),
> and I always did. They're not as
> bottom heavy, and they sound more real; the pianos
> in the ES series really seem like a step
> backward.
> >
> > T
> >
> > Robert Manzitti wrote:
> > Jim,
> > In my opinion most all the Yamaha piano patches
> in the Motif and S series are too bass
> boomy. I have played them thru several different
> amps and PAs and they all sound boomy.
> That can be easliy fixed by editing the piano preset
> by adjusting the eq. I have done this
> editing to most all my Motif's piano patches.
> >
> > Jim Hewes wrote:
> >
> > Lol, I also just went to GC to check out the S90
> ES because of the
> > recommendations here. I've owned a Kurzweil PC88mx
> for some years and would
> > like to step up. I loved the S90 ES piano sound.
> It's very responsive. I can
> > get that intimate, well-rounded tone that the PC88
> doesn't have. Plus you
> > get a fully programmable synth. The only thing
> that's lacking for me is a
> > good harpsichord sound, which the PC88 has and
> which I'll miss if I sell it.
> > (I also wish that you could install RAM and upload
> samples, but I guess that
> > 's getting too close to being a Motif.) I'm a bit
> peeved that the mLAN
> > interface is $400.
> >
> > Anyway, I played the piano through a Roland amp
> with 12" speaker (KC-300?).
> > It sounded a little boomy about 1 – 1.5 octaves
> below middle C. But I
> > suspect that might be the amp. It was a pretty
> nice-sounding boomy anyway.
> > As some people have said, the keyboard feel is a
> little on the light side,
> > slightly lighter than the PC88 I think. But I've
> never been crazy about the
> > relatively sharp edges on the PC88 keys and the
> S90 ES keys are better
> > there.
> >
> > In a shallow attempt to be on-topic, I can also
> mention that a few feet away
> > was a Hammond XK-3 going through a Motion Sound.
> It sounded gorgeous, and I
> > had to separate myself from it after a few minutes
> or else succumb to its
> > spell, which would cost me a lot. (I don't
> currently own a clone; I've just
> > been lurking here)
> >
> > One more thing about the S90 ES in case you
> haven't already read it. It has
> > a voice allocation algorithm that some people
> object to. You can read about
> > it in the forum at www.sninety.com. If you play a
> note hard once and then 4
> > times softly, you can hear it steal the first one
> away. I was able to
> > reproduce this easily in the store. But in normal
> playing it didn't seem to
> > be an issue and I don't think it would bother me.
> But it's something you
> > should be aware of.
> >
> > I'd love to go out and pick up an S90 ES and a
> Hammond XK-3 with a leslie. I
> > 'd be in heaven. That's quite a total chunk of
> change though.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com]On
> > Behalf Of joek1000
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 3:21 PM
> > To: CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [CWSG] Advice needed regarding
> "Stagepiano" issues.
> >
> > On the recommendation of several members of this
> thread I tried out the
> > Yamaha S90 ES
> > today at GC and was pleasantly surprised. I
> usually get bored with the
> > sound or keyboard
> > feel pretty quickly on a digital piano. I got
> through the entire intro to
> > Locomotive Breath
> > and was really getting into it!
> >
> > The feel is lighter than my P200 but very
> responsive. And the Natural piano
> > sound was
> > quite good. I already have a Motif ES rack and I
> agree with the reviews that
> > the piano
> > sound is better.
> >
> > Here is the Keyboard mag review:
> >
> >
>
http://www.keyboardmag.com/story.asp?sectioncode=30&storycode=11605
> >
> > I still would like to play it side by side with a
> P250 but since its ligher,
> > has a great piano
> > sound, good action, ES sounds, and is expandable,
> its pretty tempting.
> >
> > How is it as a MIDI controller? Would it be a good
> candidate for a Muse
> > receptor?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Joe
> >
> > --- In CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com, Peter Previte
> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'd recommend the new Yamaha S90 ES.
> > >
> > > I'm sorry if this question is to "off topic" for
> this group.
> > >
> > > I have played a Kurzweil PC88 for some time but
> it is time to go on
> > > and buy a new and better instrument so here is
> my question.
> > >
> > > I would like the best 88-key Progressive
> Hammer-Action Keyboard out
> > > there.
> > > I want the sounds to be "state of the art".
> (Pianos, Rhodes and some
> > > organs and pads/strings)
> > >
> > > This new "stagepiano" will be my main keyboard
> for a lot of years to
> > > come both on stage but also at home in studio so
> please give me Your
> > > ideas of what i should go for here.
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance, Roger.
> > >
> > > ...and again, I'm sorry if this is to "Off
> topic"...
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
> > >
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