From aevett1@yahoo.com Fri Nov 25 08:26:31 2005
Subject:Re: "Beefing up" a clonewheel...

I use a small amount of 'wiggle room' - setting the
keyboard volumes at approx. 90-93%. Then I use the KM
200's mixer to roughly 'match' levels, since I'm
submixing my sources for the sound engineer.

BTW: Thanks, everyone, for all of the insights - so
far. I know this is a little long-winded, and we're
focusing on my rig/stage act. But I'm hoping this
discussion can benefit many in the group, as we seek
to best emulate the B3/Leslie combination for each of
our situations - without having to move 'furniture'.
So, to clarify a few things for any possible
additional discussion:

* As noted above, I do use a mixer - not just the
individual instrument volumes. And at this point it's
inpractical to run each of the three instrument with a
DI to the main mix. But I do work with each instrument
(effects, internal EQ, volume etc...) to get the best
sound for each before submitting them to the mixer.
* I realize that the live, room sound will be
different from that from the soundboard. But with the
act's present resources, getting a proper live, room
recording is unlikely - as we need a CD that's of the
quality releasable to agents/venue owners for state
fairs/fests, corporate, and larger scale jobs. Since
the question was raised: The band is a country/ rock
hybrid.
* Using a BBE Sonic Maximizer could help greatly,
though first I'll try some different internal
parameter configurations - see if I can 'tweak' this
clonewheel to fit the band's sound, as was suggested.
Tonight's experiment will be to test the theory that
the stage/instrument mix is cutting out the mids (thus
pushing the high end); so, time to push up the mid
range a bit more, and roll off even more of the highs.
Interestingly enough, since posting this thread, I've
remembered how I set up that Hammond XK-2 that seemed
to sound so much better in the mix: there's a simple
2-band EQ on the back of the XK-2, I used to set the
bass pot at 2 o'clock and the treble pot at 10 o'clock
(Similar band/blend of instruments). But, if all else
fails: is the BBE the best choice, or do some of you
have other suggestions ? Any combination
effects/processing devices that might do the trick ?
* Regarding what comes after the VK-8M in the chain:
it was pointed out that since the Leslie helped
eliminate the 'problem', I should then focus on
emulating that, as best as possible, withing the
VK-8M's own parameters. Granted, the VK does have a
very advanced, high quality rotary speaker simulator -
much better than that on the OB3 Squared I used in the
90's (ultimately put through a Motion Sound R3-147:
which I 've since regretted selling...). How do the
rest of you feel about about on-board 'Leslie'
simulation, especially that of the VK ? Yes, it's an
'advanced' system; but is 'pushing air' a missing
element here that could be part of my solution ?
Anybody out there running a VK through a Motion Sound
box, or a Leslie 2101 ?

Thanks, again...

Allan

--- donniemac88 wrote:

> Do most of you do that? Turn your keyboards full on
> and use a mixer or
> whatever to match the volume between units? Just
> curious, because I've
> always set my keyboard volumes at about 50-60%. That
> gives me a little
> wiggle room in case I need to bump the volume on the
> fly.
>
> --- In CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com, "jake92028"
> wrote:
> It's kind of standard operating procedure, as far as
> I know, to always
> turn keyboard volumes full on for the best sound
> output, with volume
> matching levels adjusted at mixers, amps, cabinets -
> then with the
> keyboard(s) overall expression or volume pedal(s).
>


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