From drjoho@swbell.net Thu May 05 13:20:18 2005
Subject:Re: Wow the Leslie 2101 sounds REAL good

Tony,

I will be interested to hook up my 2101 with my Barbetta 41C ... if there
was only more time in the day (and night)...

Josiah
> T
>
> jake92028 wrote:
> --- In CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com, "Josiah Hoskins"
> wrote:
> > Martin,
> >
> > If you play Pedals and LH Bass the Pro-145 will not satisfy you.
> > The bottom end of the Pro-145 does not sound like a Leslie.
> > To be fair it was not designed for bass playing.
>
> While I do respect your educated and subjective/objective opinions on
> this subject, I don't have any problem playing Pedal bass and LH bass
> through my Pro-145 at moderate volume. It's kind of like, "you get
> out what you put in," i.e., if you're not putting in very close to a
> Hammond pedal sound or Hammond lower manual sound, it won't sound
> much like the real thing. I do get even better bass results using
> both my Pro-145's at moderate volume - the sound quality does fall
> off a bit at high volume with this particular "leslie" and I think
> the same with almost any "real" Leslie, which IMO were not designed
> to be played at super loud and overdriven volume - but for church
> organists = rich and full, yes.
>
> The first Hammond/Leslie with pedals I heard back in the late-60's
> was a B3/dual Leslie setup on a wooden stage with the cabinets in a
> wide spread on either side of the console. It was truly a very earthy
> woody sound - like you almost couldn't hear the pedals (although you
> could), more comparable to say you "felt" them punch out the bass
> lines. I don't think that sound could be reproduced any other way.
> And I don't think it's anything like what many organ/keyboard players
> have in mind as a realistic audio concept of what bass pedals and
> lower manual bass "should" sound like.
>
> Did you try the Eminence heavy duty bass speaker that John Fisher at
> Motion-Sound was recommending before they started making subwoofers?
> I didn't try it, although it was/is still on my list. Subwoofers for
> organ (all makes) sound awful to me. A high quality bass combo amp is
> IMO the best for reproducing organ bass sound - unless you've got
> that big old wood stage, B3 and dual Leslies. I'm using a Roland DB-
> 500, one of their proprietary "COSM Amp Modeling" bass amps, 160W/RMS
> with a 12" heavy duty woofer, and nice bass fx if you want them. I
> can add a little chorus to fatten it up, use its "tube preamp" mode,
> etc. It sounds great for pedal/LH bass with decreased rotary sound.
>
> I tried a 21 system, just the top alone, then the top/bottom combo
> when I found them set up ready to play at a GC. What you say is true
> about the sound, it's good. But both halves of the system are just
> too "weird" - like everything we've been trying NOT to have in an
> actual rotary amp, much less a real Leslie: Low rotor simulation with
> a stationary horn like a PA cab?.. Might as well do better and play
> through a real high-end PA cab, preferably two - which sounds great
> with a well-tweaked VK, XK, or no-tweaking-needed NE2 rotary sim, not
> to mention stand-alone rotary sim boxes. Extra little speakers
> sitting in the upper cabinet with the rotary horn? How is that not
> going to affect the sound of the rotary horn alone? And isn't this
> now an added upper rotorary sim with the little speakers doppler'ing
> around the cabinet? I got the feeling it could not hold up to high
> volume playing alone - you would need the entire system.. and it's
> a "Franken-Leslie" - no other way for me to describe it.
>
> I do fine when pedal bass or LH bass is needed through my Pro-145(s)
> and the DB-500... honestly - and not just a reflection of my "No
> Suzuki for me" sentiment.
>
> Regards ~ Walter
>
> >
> > The 2101 has excellent bottom end and sounds very Leslie like.
> > Pedals sound great and so does LH Bass. The horn sounds like
> > a Leslie. Basically the only thing I miss from my real Leslies it
> the
> > "woody" sound that I think is imparted via the very thin wood tops
> > of Leslies. This is especially noticeable on percussion. But again
> > I think that the ante has been upped for "almost real" Leslie sound
> > in an even smaller package that the Pro-145.
> >
> > For gigging if you are kicking bass, you will either have to get
> the
> > bottom cabinet or mike it through the sound system.
> >
> > Have fun deciding...
> >
> > On a humorous note: How many Leslies does it take to screw in
> > a light bulb?
> >
> > Ans: only one but you better use the correct rotor - do you know
> > which one?
> >
> > Josiah
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "bourniplus"
> > To:
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 3:18 PM
> > Subject: [CWSG] Re: Wow the Leslie 2101 sounds REAL good
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > if I remember well from your previous posts, I think you also own
> a
> > > Pro-145. I am very close to ordering a Pro-145 to use with my B4.
> > > Please, if you have a minute or two, could you write a short
> > > comparison between these two? Which one gives you the best value
> for
> > > the money? Both would actually be kind of expensive here in
> Canada for
> > > me. I play pedals and LH bass so I need good bottom. Reading
> through
> > > the archives just makes me hesitate more and more. I don't want
> an amp
> > > that will make me go "well it's not a Leslie". If anyone else can
> > > comment that would be appreciated.
> > >
> > > thanks
> > > Martin
> > > http://martinbournival.tripod.com
> > >
> > > --- In CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com, "Josiah Hoskins"
> wrote:
> > > > Folks,
> > > >
> > > > Well, always on the search for Hammond / Leslie nirvana led to
> the
> > > > purchase today of a Leslie 2101.
> > > >
> > > > It is small and it is good!
> > > >
> > > > I got it at Guitar Center for $860.
> > > >
> > > > Man, what an amp for the price and weight!
> > > >
> > > > I am amazed at the sound that comes out of that little amp!
> > > >
> > > > Not so much the rotary horn, but it will punch some volume
> > > > out of those tiny little 2" and 5" speakers. Even for pedals.
> > > > If you need to be loud just mike it.
> > > >
> > > > Very nice overdrive that increases in with the gain as it should
> > > > be.
> > > >
> > > > Bottom line - it sounds alot like a Leslie!
> > > >
> > > > More when I have time for some side by side comparisons.
> > > >
> > > > Josiah
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
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