From bardian@usadatanet.net Sun Nov 28 13:13:38 2004
Subject:Re: XK3 MIDI Problems - This is not good news

Just a quick idea - I wonder if the lower keyboard is somehow sending MIDI 'off' messages to the organ. 'Cause once it would get an 'off' message, the notes would not sound until they were released and pressed again. I think some keyboards send packets of 'off' messages when no notes are being played to eliminate the old 'note stuck 'on'' problem that used to be such a joy to behold.

How many MIDI inputs does the XK3 have? Don't some clones (VK7?) have a separate input for each manual? If so, try setting the organ's local control off, send a chord from the MIDI out of the organ to the organ's MIDI upper manual in and send a cord from the other keyboard to the lower manual midi in. Make sure the organ's sending channel is the same as its upper receiving channel.

Or, make sure the organ's keyboard (upper manula) is not split to also play the lower manual sounds (I'm not sure why, but try it).

Or send the organ's midi out to the keyboard's midi in, the keyboard's midi through to the upper manual in and the keyboard's out to the lower manual...

----- Original Message -----
From: David Oakley
To: CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 3:49 PM
Subject: [CWSG] XK3 MIDI Problems - This is not good news

I've discovered what appears to be a serious problem with the MIDI
capability on my XK3.
Yesterday i added a second (lower) manual using an M-audio keystation
61.
Tested it out and all seemed to work fine.
Took it out on a gig on saturday night and on a couple of occasions
it seemed
as if some notes were not sounding when i was holding down chords on
the top
manual. I thought perhaps i was imagining it or the acoustics of the
venue were playing tricks on my ears.

Anyhow, spent some time at home with it today and discovered that
there does indeed
appear to be a problem with the XK3's MIDI. For no apparent reason,
when your playing
both manuals at the same time, notes sometiems fail to sound. Not
just single notes but
whole clusters.

For example, holding down a G2 with LH on the lower and playing a G
Maj7 on the top
manual, only the last note of the Gmaj7 chord sounded. The Gmaj7 is
not
significant :) - just happened to be one occasion that i can recall,
just as likely
to do it when playing any other chord.

The exact same thing also happens sometimes
when playing with both hands on the lower manual. Interestingly, this
never seems to
occur if you are playing both hands on the top manual (the XK3).
What is even more wierd is this. If i leave my fingers down on the
silent notes, i
can turn off either the lower manual power switch or the top manual
(the XK3 itself) or both
keyboards, keep my fingers on the notes, turn the keyboards(s) back
on again and the notes
still remain silent. In fact no matter what i do, the notes will
remain silent until i release
my fingers and play the same notes again.

I've not messed with the MIDI setup, other than to set the MIDI
channel for
the lower manual to use Ch1 and set receive on the top manual to OF
(in fact i
tried setting the top manual to Ch2 as well but the problem remains)

My questions are as follows:

Has anyone else noticed this problem? I seem to remember someone on
the group
reporting a problem with the MIDI on the XK3?

Does anyone know if there is some way to change a setting to
eradicate it?

Could it actually be related to something other than the XK3, could
it be a faulty
MIDI cable perhaps, or a fault with the M-Audio keyboard (which is
brand new).
In which case, why doesnt turning off the XK3 and turning it back on,
make the silent notes come back on
automatically. I'm sure it's not the M-audio as it works fine when
using it with my Roland JV.

If it is a problem with the XK3 (and it certainly appears to be the
case), does anyone know
if HS plan to have a fix available and how can i get my XK3 upgraded.

Hope someone can suggest something, because this is a showstopper for
me. I need the Xk3 to
support 2 manuals and i can't live with notes going AWOL on a
seemingly random basis

Dave

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