From breynold@usc.edu Wed Nov 17 22:58:48 2004
Subject:Re: Voce V5+ anything else different besides chorus/perc updates?

I've read that the filters were added sometime in 1964. I also think that was the year they switched to mylar caps. But I'm not a tech, just someone who asks this stuff when I'm shopping for the pristine sounding $500 A-100.

Barry


>
> The crosstalk artifact doesn't seem related to the cap age.
> There's
> a cut-off date in the 60s (is it when the midrange caps were
> added?)
> when the crosstalk was greatly reduced in the B-3. My thoughts
> are
> that it has a lot to do with the keyboard cable harness to the
> generator. This could be checked by unsoldering the generator
> outputs and listening to each tonewheels individually. That will
> tell you if the crosstalk from the pickups.
>
> I am familiar with the relationship of the crosstalk products
> although my personal B-3 has very little. Some 50s organs really
> exhibit a lot of leakage.
>
> /Dave
>
> PS - please note that there is no sonic difference between playing
> a
> V5+ with a MIDI controller and the Diversi DV. same PCB, same
> software
>
> PPS - can't wait to hear about SPIN II.
>
> --- In CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com, "jblann1" wrote:
> >
> > Hey Dave, here are some of my thoughts and ideas about the V5(+)
> > A Midi-expression message would be kind of good, but then again
> this
> > is simply a tone-wheel sound module, and an analog audio
> expression
> > pedal will suffice between the V5 and a leslie 122 etc...
> > BUT
> > I am most interested in a true generator crosstalk effect (aside
> from
> > a leakage effect which I don't really think exists by itself).
> When
> > the filter caps start to dry out on the twg, each tonewheel
> magnetic
> > pickup will catch a tiny bit of a neighboring tonewheel. A good
> way
> > to really understand it is to hear it. If you don't have a
> vintage
> > B3 sitting around, go load up NI's B4 module and pull out only
> 16'
> > drawbar. Play slowly a chromatic scale, and listen to each
> note.
> > You will hear the crosstalk on each tonewheel, but C# and Eb
> seems
> to
> > pick up 2 tonewheels instead of 1.
> > I also have to check the line level for each drawbar. One test
> I
> > did, showed the following:
> > 1. 0 dB play C5
> > 2. -9 dB play F3
> > 3. -9 dB play C4
> > 4. -18 dB play C3
> > 5. -18 dB play F2
> > 6. -24 dB play C2
> > 7. -36 dB play Ab1
> > 8. -36 dB play F1
> > 9. -36 dB play C1
> > Try it on a B3.... pull out each drawbar seperately and hit the
> same
> > pitch... the volume of that pitch is not all the same.....Roland
> > VK7,8,Korg CX3,Hammond XK1,XK2 didn't get that, gotta check XK3
> > All and all I am VERY impressed with the V5 tone overall,
> especially
> > as used in the Diversi organs, very very very good.
> > I will probably get my hands on a V5+ and Leslie 2101 and
> probably
> > build a midi controller using hammond keys and contacts and
> pedal
> > board. I've been playing Hammond for years and I'd say that you
> > (Dave) are really in the competition in regards to a very good
> > tonewheel clone.-------SpinII needs a complete makeover, but
> watch
> > for that thread another time soon. (I've been trying to
> accurately
> > simulate the Leslie with hardware and software for nearly 10 years)
> > I'd be happy to send you audio examples of what I tried to
> explain
> > here, if this doesn't seem to make sense
>
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