From fortepianonj@yahoo.com Mon Nov 08 19:08:49 2004
Subject:Re: Why did Hammond get the virtual B3 right?

Wonderful thread! Now this is great! One thing this
proves is that we all have an opinion on what we like.

No one is putting down anything here. But, let's use
the correct terminology and not some hyped-up sales
and marketing jargon that's used to describe a
product.

And Dave! You're the man! WOW! You are awesome! We all
can learn a lot from you. Thanks for clarifying!

FP

--- vocedave2002 wrote:

>
> Steve... The B4 doesn't use samples as far as I
> know. I'm having a
> bit of trouble understanding your point. Do you
> feel that organ
> models are not superior to sampled organs?
>
> Models don't necessarily require processors. They
> can be implemented
> in hardware. That's how the V3, the first modeled
> tonewheel organ,
> module was created. Where there's a will there's a
> way.
>
> Don't confuse modeled acoustic instruments (Yamaha,
> GEM) with
> tonewheel models. Yes, they are both models but the
> degrees of
> freedom needed to control a tonewheel model is
> trivial compared to an
> acoustic instrument. Even a piano has a more
> complex set of control
> parameters than a tonewheel organ.
>
> I'll iterate this fact again... modeling for
> tonewheel organs is
> really mature and most of the work which needs to be
> done is now on
> the Leslie simulation side and the player interface
> (multi-contacts
> with the right feel).
>
> I don't believe it's layers of spinning disks in the
> XK3. Isn't it a
> generator architecture using loops instead of
> modeled tonewheels?
>
> /Dave
>
> --- In CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Schow"
>
> wrote:
> >
> > Right.. Well just because Modeling has been with
> us for quite some
> > time does not mean its completely there yet. its
> only been in the
> > past few years that processors have gotten fast
> enough to really
> get
> > close to any kind of realism with anything. its
> still not quite
> > there yet. A few more years and it will all be a
> moot point.
> >
> > Regarding the B4, I rest my case. That has long
> been considered
> > a "modeled" organ...and even it uses some bit of
> sampling. My main
> > point is not to diss on modeling or praise
> sampling or get into
> > another silly argument about what is or isn't
> modeling or which is
> > better. its simply to say that the XK3 is not
> MERELY a sample
> > playback organ. It does in fact use some samples
> at the bottom
> > layer, but because the sound is built up by
> layering samples of
> > spinning discs...it can be thought of as a
> modeling organ as well,
> > one that uses some samples to get there.
>


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