From dave@bombfactory.com Mon Nov 08 17:29:38 2004
Subject:Re: Why did Hammond get the virtual B3 right?


Steve... The B4 doesn't use samples as far as I know. I'm having a
bit of trouble understanding your point. Do you feel that organ
models are not superior to sampled organs?

Models don't necessarily require processors. They can be implemented
in hardware. That's how the V3, the first modeled tonewheel organ,
module was created. Where there's a will there's a way.

Don't confuse modeled acoustic instruments (Yamaha, GEM) with
tonewheel models. Yes, they are both models but the degrees of
freedom needed to control a tonewheel model is trivial compared to an
acoustic instrument. Even a piano has a more complex set of control
parameters than a tonewheel organ.

I'll iterate this fact again... modeling for tonewheel organs is
really mature and most of the work which needs to be done is now on
the Leslie simulation side and the player interface (multi-contacts
with the right feel).

I don't believe it's layers of spinning disks in the XK3. Isn't it a
generator architecture using loops instead of modeled tonewheels?

/Dave

> close to any kind of realism with anything. its still not quite
> there yet. A few more years and it will all be a moot point.
>
> Regarding the B4, I rest my case. That has long been considered
> a "modeled" organ...and even it uses some bit of sampling. My main
> point is not to diss on modeling or praise sampling or get into
> another silly argument about what is or isn't modeling or which is
> better. its simply to say that the XK3 is not MERELY a sample
> playback organ. It does in fact use some samples at the bottom
> layer, but because the sound is built up by layering samples of
> spinning discs...it can be thought of as a modeling organ as well,
> one that uses some samples to get there.