From harjoy@elknet.net Mon Nov 08 06:07:27 2004
Subject:Re: Why did Hammond get the virtual B3 right?


From: S S
>"Virtual tonewheel technology" is a marketing term. HS
uses sampling (long loops) - not modeling. MODELING is
considered by many to be the more authentic
replication of sound. VOCE and Roland use modeling.
VOCE was using it long before anyone else.
I would suspect that modeling would have more beneficial impact on tones like an acoustich piano where short samples are unable to provide the evolution of a note clear from its attack and on through variations until it stops.

With an organ note, or lets get specific and consider a vintage Hammond note: the generator is spinning continually providing a note that is not heard until triggered and amplified. Essentially a simple continuing sine wave. Chorus/vibrato, Leslie tremolo, speaker effects and reflections are all things that happen to the original sine wave and can be provided to a clone originated sine wave. Likewise using different drawbar combinations to shape your registration is possible with clone or vintage.

All of which confirms what is being said- that if you play an XK-3 through a Leslie it will match the vintage machine except for flaws in the aged vintage- like preamps etc with off value caps, leakages etc.

I am not stating that the Voce or Diversi tone production system is inferior- I am stating that there are a lot of factors that can affect the sound besides tone production method, and sampling vs modeling should not necessarily be of as much importance for a level envelope sustained note organ sound.

This also explains why a lot of CWSG members use Speakeasy preamps to get some tube effect to round out the original sterile sine wave product.

Harold

If the sound of the HS B3P is indistinguishable from
the original, then let's challenge HS to put it up
against a good condition tonewheel Hammond in a
"blind" test. Has this ever been done with a HS
product? The only one I have ever heard of with a
clone is with a Diversi organ - which, by the way,
does use modeling in their replication of sound since
it uses the Voce V5+.

FP

--- cameldrone wrote:

>
> For a long time, many manufacturers have been using
> myriad technological
> resources trying to duplicate the sound of the
> original B3 and tone wheels as
> accurately as possible. Now, all the reviews I read
> point to the new B3P -- with
> "virtual tone wheel" technology -- as the very best,
> some going so far to say
> that it's indistinguishable. What I don't understand
> is what Hammond was able
> to do technologically in replicating the B3 so
> accurately that so many others
> couldn't? And why Hammond, and not Korg or Roland or
> Yamaha?
>
> Eric
>


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