From ynottnaro@yahoo.com Sun Oct 26 01:58:59 2003
Subject:Re: JAKE!!!! Re: On the fence: Rack or 73 key...or VCombo?

Thanks for the info Carl. I'm still tweaking the
leslie stuff, but I'll let you know when I got what I
think is a good one.

T
--- Carl Van Selman wrote:
> Hi Tony,
> Vibrato for the Electric Grand SRX07 board using
> VR760 (VCombo).
> You have to get into the edit pages for the synth
> section. You have a choice of 40 different FX one
> of these is called TREMOLO CHO. This is a tremolo
> plus chorus. When this is selected you have access
> to all of the parameters for this FX. To remove the
> chorus part (which 'ain't to good anyway) take the
> Pre-delay, Cho rate and Cho depth to zero. The next
> parameter is Phase, this seems best at 90, as you
> step through the parameters you then get Tremolo
> rate, Tremolo Separation, Balance (wet/dry) and
> Tremolo level - twiddle with these to get what you
> want. The Tremolo rate or Tremolo level can be
> assigned to the MFX control knob on the front panel
> of the VR760, I've found Tremolo rate (speed) to be
> more useful, not forgetting that you can also switch
> the entire FX off from the button just above the MFX
> control should you want straight ahead Electric
> Grand with no FX.
>
> I'm constantly playing around looking for Leslie sim
> settings. I use different settings for different
> kind of organ sounds. I like a really fast Leslie
> for Jimmy Smith sound and slow for anything kind of
> heavy. I'd be interested what your ears tell you is
> a good setting for the Leslie sim.
>
> Carl
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ynottnaro
> To: NordElectro@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 5:05 PM
> Subject: [CWSG] JAKE!!!! Re: On the fence: Rack or
> 73 key...or VCombo?
>
> Hey Jake...and everybody else for that matter.
>
> After doing some serious programming and
> rehearsals
> this week so I can fully determine whether the
> VR760/Vcombo is a keeper or a return to the store,
> I
> finally made up my mind: it's a keeper.
>
> I'm not getting rid of my Electro, that's going to
> stay in my main rig....probably! I love the
> pianos
> triggered from a weighted board, but since I carry
> a
> Motif8, I don't need to do that. However, when I
> finally get the case for the VCombo, it will come
> out
> in place of the Electro through my
> Speakeasy/Leslie
> just to evaluate in those circumstances.
>
> I have another overseas AFE tour coming up, and
> airline baggage restrictions have gotten even
> stiffer
> and more costly, so I needed to break this rig
> down to
> 2 pieces of gear, and they have to be light
> (ABSOLUTELY no heavier than 70lbs in its case).
> Obviously a keyboard stand is non-negotiable, so
> that
> leaves me with one piece of gear. The Electro's
> acoustic pianos just blow (to me anyway), and the
> EPs
> don't come alive unless triggered from something
> else,
> so I needed to do something, and the only solution
> I
> could come up with was the VCombo. (37lbs,
> another 30
> for a custom SKB-type case, decent organ, fair EPs
> but
> better piano compared to the Electro, and it will
> do
> splits which the Electro won't.)
>
> Last week after tweaking I thought I had some
> decent
> set-ups happening on the Vcombo, but at the gig I
> was
> less than bowled over. Realizing my options were
> limited, I forced myself back to the studio to
> retweak
> and rethink. Using it at rehearsals helped a lot
> to
> find out where frequencies were becoming
> problematic
> (not as warm as the Electro and a little top
> heavy).
> Last night's gig was outdoors at a private
> function at
> a huge (no, I mean HUGE estate) and we used the PA
> we'll be using on the AFE tour. I'm also using
> in-ears on this tour (Hated using the Mackie
> SRM450 as
> a monitor...not horrible, but just thought I could
> do
> better, and this gives the guitarist his own
> monitor
> this way) so I decided to really give the whole
> rig a
> dry run.
>
> As an all-in-one keyboard, this really is a
> jobber's
> dream. My 20 minute set-up (Motif8, Electro,
> Speakeasy, Leslie, 2Yorkville combos, mic claws
> with
> mics, 2 DIs, pedals, cabling, stand assembly) was
> reduced to 5 minutes, taking my time. It rained a
> little after the gig, and because the "back yard"
> of
> this mansion was landscaped, it was about a
> football
> field walk to the van, I can't tell you how glad I
> was
> I could do this in one trip.
>
> Ok, the nuts and bolts. You have to rethink your
> drawbar registrations after using the Electro
> (which
> was pretty darn close to my real Hammond) so as
> not to
> rip your head off, but it's easily done if you
> listen
> and don't look. I do like the thunk of the
> percussion
> more than the Electro, but I don't like the chorus
> so
> much, but can be a little more useful than the
> Electro's if used instead of leslie fast. And
> doing
> splits is easy as all get out with the 2 octave
> shift.
>
> And the keyboard feels REALLY good for organ, a
> lot
> faster than the Electro, but not as light as the
> CX3.
> Nice yellowed waterfall keys give a nice cosmetic
> touch as well.
>
> The pianos take a little more getting used to
> (especially if that's your main instrument). I
> adjusted better than I was able to for the
> Electro's
> pianos (more velocity sensitive). When not doing
> a
> split, layering a piano sound with another piano
> type
> from an SRX Ultimate Keys Card added a lot more
> girth
> and life, although still not as good as the Motif
> 8 or
> an old MKS20 piano module though. But pretty good.
>
> When doing a split, you don't have that option
> because
> splits only allow a layer across the entire
> keyboard
> (Unless you can find a use for that, it's a bad
> oversight). But even without layering, the
> acoustic
> piano IS better than the Electro.
>
> The EPS...well, not as good as the Electro, but
> there
> are some good Rhodes emulations and a couple Wurli
> patches that are quite usable. And again,
> layering
> with the Ultimate Keys card will give you some
> better
> options, just not in split mode. The benefit of
> the
> synth section is obvious: the onboard sounds are
> kind
> of lame, but the Ultimate Keys card does have some
> great synths in there. And as an added benefit,
> the
> SRX card has the BEST CP70 sound of any keyboard
> I've
> ever heard or owned (short of the CP70 itself).
> (BY
> THE WAY CARL, HOW ARE YOU GETTING TREMOLO ON THIS
> SOUND? YOU TOLD ME USE THE MFX SECTION, BUT I
> CAN"T
> FOR THE LIFE OF ME GET IT TO WORK....WHAT AM I
> MISSING?)
>
> Now, of course setting up piano and organ splits
> is
>
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