From bilyod@msn.com Mon May 12 09:47:28 2003
Subject:Re: Brilliant Idea or Insane Ramblings - B4 custom controller

WOW!!! 18 computers (9 for each manual) Better get to the gig early for set
up.

Bill

>From: "Steve"
>Reply-To: CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: [CWSG] Brilliant Idea or Insane Ramblings - B4 custom
>controller
>Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 09:40:14 -0700
>
>That explains the problem I had--I was running strictly stand-alone.
>Anytime I had two instances of the program, neither one worked. Tried one
>of the shareware VST systems but couldn't get that to work either, but
>since
>it wasn't an issue for me at the time, I didn't spend a whole lot of time
>trying to debug it.
>
>--Steve
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "schel_d_sullivan"
>To:
>Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 9:34 AM
>Subject: Re: [CWSG] Brilliant Idea or Insane Ramblings - B4 custom
>controller
>
> > I cannot run multiple instances of B4 in stand alone mode, using V-
> > Stack for that. V-STack is really nice and stable for anyone usinge
> > VSTi for live setups.
> >
> > Schel Sullivan
> >
> > --- In CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote:
> > > Schel;
> > >
> > > MIDI was developed about 20 years ago, and with the objective that
> > it would
> > > be simple to connect up and pretty much bullet-proof. One way to
> > ensure
> > > that was to keep the data rate low enough that it would still work
> > well with
> > > several daisy-chained components, and with cables of unpredictable
> > quality,
> > > and with opto-isolators to eliminate ground-loop problems.
> > >
> > > My experiences with B4 have been on two relatively low-performance
> > > computers: a 400-mhz AMD K6/2, and a 750 mhz AMD Duron. I get
> > less than 10
> > > msec latency with the 750mhz Duron, running Windows 98 SE, with an
> > SDB Live!
> > > 5.1 card. When I experienced the problems I mentioned, I was
> > using an
> > > Edirol UA100G interface for MIDI and sound, and my theory is that
> > the
> > > multiple-instance problems were related to the UA100G drivers,
> > because they
> > > were definitely not stable. I have since gone back to a MIDIMan
> > 2x2 for
> > > MIDI and the SBLIve! card for sound, with FAR FAR better results
> > in both
> > > performance and stability.
> > >
> > > Your experiment shows that B4 can successfully run multiple
> > instances, but
> > > all of them are still responding to a single Note-On/Note-Off
> > command from
> > > each key press. In the scenario you described, each key press
> > would
> > > generate 9 Note-On's, which would then be merged onto a single MIDI
> > > connection to the PC. With the 32 kbps data rate, that's about 5
> > msec per
> > > MIDI event, which means they would stretch out over about 45 msec
> > from the
> > > beginning of the first one to the end of the last one.
> > >
> > > As long as we're building the ultimate B4 system, why not put each
> > instance
> > > of B4 on a separate computer, so that each B4CE has it's own
> > dedicated MIDI
> > > connection to it's own computer! The MIDI congestion problem is
> > avoided,
> > > but the cost would be somewhere between ridiculous & absurd!
> > Could probably
> > > buy a showroom-condition B3 for what it would cost, and the B3
> > would be
> > > easier to transport & set up! :-)
> > >
> > > --Steve
> >
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