From ashorcat@hotmail.com Sun Jun 29 19:49:30 2003
Subject:Re: Leslie 21 System

I don't know what to think about this Leslie. It's a great setup, with a
lot of excellent features, and much versatility. It sounds great, and I
really like it. It even has a 122 cabinet emulation setting.

With brand new equipment, with the LESLIE name, for the price I paid, and
for the relatively easy life that this unit has led, I would expect the
hardiness and reliability that Tony has gotten with his Leslies.

It may be a design flaw, like one of the other members suggested. I'm
surely disappointed that both top and bottom units have failed, at separate
times, in less than 6 months. This is an expensive amp. I'm not a
professional musician, and these amps are babied, and moved infrequently.
Never on for more than 5 hours at a clip, usually only 1-2 hours.

I e-mailed to the Speakeasy guys to see if they had any ideas, or scuttlebut
about these amps.

I never raised the master volume on the amp above 8(out of 10), The rotary
unit vol. was 5/10, and the amp gain was about 3/10 These settings are
those recommended by Ham-Suz when you boot up this Leslie. The Speakeasy
Classic vol @ 3 o'clock, bass at 3 o'clock, treble at 1 o'clock. Gain
switch on the SE was low/off. Gain on BX3 was about 4/10, vol. full out.
Not much grunt and growl here, except with expression pedal to the metal.

Wonder if Musician's Friend is giving us good product? That's where I got
the unit.

Tony, do you know others using this Leslie, or have you heard any thing on
the street about them?
What do you think is going on here? Any suggestions?

How frequently do you other Clonewheelers have problems with a blown Leslie,
and which units are you using? With other equipment added in the link, was
there any more frequency of the units going bad?

Ham-Suz rep will not comment on reliability of the amp. Any othe
opinions/info would be helpful. Thanks. I'll keep posting about this.
Hope I didn't make a $2,000 mistake!

Tony Catania

>From: ynottnaro
>Reply-To: CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com
>To: CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [CWSG] Re: Leslie 21 System
>Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 07:09:30 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Ummm...I have to diasgree. I've been using my Bulldog
>leslie (a model 25 cabinet loaded with stock 122
>parts) for gigging 3-6 times a week for over 5 years.
>I have NEVER blown a driver yet. This was using a VK7
>or an XK2 (depending on which I owned at the time)
>with an 1122 kit from Hammond Suzuki, or my cutdown
>Numerous Complaints Chopper with Trek preamp. Leslie
>is wide open, organs are wide open. Almost 2 years
>ago I switched to using a Speakeasy preamp. I ran the
>Classic pedal with volume at 3:00, treble at same,
>bass at max. By the way, I used a Voce v5 for a while
>(a notoriously hot output device) with my Speakeasy,
>and have defected to the Electro camp. Recently, I
>bought a rackmounted Speakeasy with Classic/Howler
>mode switching. I've discovered that using the volume
>at roughly 3:00 and treble wide open gives me plenty
>of groovy grind, and when I switch to Howler
>mode...look out! I play pretty damn loud (our bass
>player is volume crazy and sets up right next to me)
>and at times have the Speakeasy maxed. I have YET to
>blow a driver, much to my tech's chagrin (he wants the
>repair bill!).
>
>And until 7 weeks ago, it was a stock driver. I did
>switch to Speakeasy's power driver (or whatever it was
>called) to check it out, and while I don't notice any
>particular benefit (as I said, for over 5 years I've
>never had a problem anyway), I also don't notice any
>difference in tone (which is what I wanted: NO
>DIFFERENCE). I've been switching to another model 25
>leslie that is also retrofitted with stock 122 guts
>for live gigs (this is the one I keep at home) to
>check some other issues, and that has given me no
>grief whatsoever.
>
>So with all respect to Dave, I disagree. Michael Lee,
>Jon Lord, Seth Justman, name your grindy Hammond guy,
>they didn't get those sounds by babying their leslies.
> I actually expected to blow a driver years ago...I'm
>still waiting.
>
>T
>--- David Oakley wrote:
> >
> > If your running your Leslie amp at or near max
> > volume and your
> > putting in a high gain input, eg: SE max volume, max
> > treble, then you
> > will kill your drivers on a frequent basis. This is
> > true of old/new
> > Leslie and MS products also. I never run any of my
> > Leslie's above say
> > 7 (on a scale 1 to 10) but i use the SE flat out and
> > i've been ok so
> > far. If you need more volume then you either need to
> > MIC up or get a
> > higher powered Leslie. Even at lower volumes, i've
> > heard that
> > excessive distortion will shorten the life of your
> > drivers however.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > --- In CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com, "ashorcat"
> > wrote:
> > > I bought the Leslie 21 in Jan. of this year.
> > The rotor unit
> > > needed repair by April. Now the base unit is
> > down(sound is
> > > distorted in upper octaves, Lower 3 octaves seem
> > OK). Also, for
> > the
> > > last 2 days I hear a rattle in the upper unit, so
> > this may have to
> > > go back to the shop again!
> > > I bought online from Musician's Friend. I
> > know another member
> > > got a bad one from them right out of the box.
> > Wondering if they're
> > > selling reconditioned problem units.
> > > I know there are other Clonwheelers who use
> > these Leslies.
> > Any
> > > more problems with them?
> > >
> > > I'm wondering if I'm blowing the speakers by
> > pushing too hard with
> > > the Speakeasy Classic Pedal. Any ideas, comments?
> > >
> > > Thank you fellow Clonewheelers for your help.
> > >
> > > Tony Catania
> >
>
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