From djacques@csulb.edu Tue Jan 21 09:25:27 2003
Subject:RE: OT: Horn sounds on keys

I totally agree with Eric. My classic rock band has a sax and trumpet
player and sometimes it is necessary to double up to fill out the horns.
Although the Roland XV5050 has some "decent" horn samples when played
alone in my studio, in a live situation they sound like shit. So I too
play the parts with Hammond. If you listed to Joey D., Al Kooper, etc,
you will hear them play comps not unlike a horn section would. This fits
in much better with horns than some cheesy horn sample.

> -----Original Message----->
> Ed,
>
> Regarding your "CloneHorn" question: My answer is real horn
> players and if those are not available, then an analog horn
> patch or another sound altogether is the way to go.
>
> I'm a purist when it comes to horn sounds and I have always
> had an aversion to playing ROMpler-style horn patches to
> emulate real horns. To me, keyboard horns have never really
> sounded like real horns and actually make my skin crawl at times.
>
> My personal opinion is that using keys to emulate horn sounds
> verbatim ends up sounding cheesy 9 times out of 10. I've had
> the luxury of playing in bands with horns, but on the
> occasions where I need to cop the horn licks, I choose not to
> emulate the horn sound but rather to play the lick using a
> keyboard sound like Hammond, clav or analog brass sounds. I
> don't mind playing string sounds, but doing brass section on
> keys has never floated my boat.
>
> I like to take the arrangement in a different direction while
> staying somewhat true to the original intent (if it's a cover
> song with a signature horn riff).
>
> I know that the technology allows for pretty realistic brass
> sounds, but they still cannot get the inflection of a live
> brass player. There is still a lot of old school mentality
> around using real horns and not putting players out of work,
> etc. If you can't swing the horn section, then see if you can
> do something else rather than requiring a specific trumpet
> section preset.
>
> One of the bands I play with has 3 horns (trombone, trumpet
> and tenor sax). There have been occasions in which a 4th horn
> part is needed (example - bari sax part in TOP's Soul
> Vaccination). This part fell into my hands and I tried
> various saxaphone sounds and they all sound WAY cheesy. In
> the end, I used a distorted wah clav sound and it captured
> the riff with a much more wicked vibe than trying to make my
> keyboard sound like a sax.
>
> Regards,
> Eric
> Moderator
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ed Fliege [mailto:k2mojo@groovedaddies.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 1:51 AM
> To: CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [CWSG] OT: Piano & other sound modules
>
> OK, I broke down and put an OT in the Subject line, but I
> think this kind of thread is relevant mainly because the
> majority of us play more than just organ, right?, and who
> better to get opinions from than other guys who already
> appreciate the beauty of the Hammond sound ;-) Now that we've
> discussed pianos, I'd like to hear what horn patches you guys
> are using in your live rigs. Specifically what
> keyboard/module and which patch.
>
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