From brianfores@hotmail.com Wed Jan 08 06:30:20 2003
Subject:Re: CX3...old n new

Hey! Thanks so much for the comprehensive answer!
This is really what i was trying to figure out. I bet a new cx3 with
a speakeasy pre sounds dilectable, or through a tube amp. Too bad
about the housing though. Thanks for the input. Greatly appreciated! brian

>From: ynottnaro
>Reply-To: CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com
>To: CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [CWSG] CX3...old n new
>Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 05:06:44 -0800 (PST)
>
>Having owned an old CX3 as well as a BX3, and had a
>2.0 Cx3 for a couple weeks, I can say they really are
>almost 2 different animals. Unfortunately I didn't
>have the old and new at the same time, but.... based
>on my recollections as well as a CX3 I obtained in a
>trade 2 years ago, I have some thoughts.
>
>The old Korg stuff was really the best thing going at
>their time. Leslie sim was awful. I used to use an
>SPX90 or a GEP50 (Yamaha gtr processor)to develop a
>rich chorus with not a lot of movement, just sort of
>to "spatially expand" the cx3, and then I'd use the
>internal leslie sim to toggle fast and slow. That
>through the processor actually sounded
>pretty....acceptable. Now, I just happened to
>discover an old sound desk recording from 1990 with
>that rig and I was stunned: It actually sounded way
>cooler than I remembered it, and pretty realistic in
>context. The keyboard on it was rather stiff, but it
>was playable. The percussion was ok (no soft or fast
>as I recall, but it has been a while) and the
>overdrive was alright as well, used in moderation. I
>liked that EVERY parameter was accessible on the left
>side of the keyboard in one small zone as opposed to
>the Electro's choice of "in the middle up top." One
>set of drawbars (but my BX had 2, one for upper, one
>for lower), a tuning knob that was very stable, and a
>cool authentic look that was actually MADE of wood
>(unlike the new particle board chassis which is a
>heinous insult as far as I'm concerned). Now, when I
>owned these instruments, they were the best thing
>going, at least in my opinion. When I obtained one a
>while ago, I wasn't quite as enamored with it, but
>we're talking 10 years difference. However, this time
>I owned real leslies, and it prompted to purchase my
>first Speakeasy pedal. The output of the old CX3 was
>pretty weak, so weak that in fact I wasn't sure my
>Speakeasy wasn't defective. But it did sound decent.
>You couldn't really get that smooth warm jazz tone out
>of it (at least I couldn't) but the slightly harder
>rock stuff was a no brainer. It was a pretty cool
>instrument. While the output was weaker, to my ears
>at least it didn't have dips in frequencies like the
>new CX stuff. There has been a lot of discussion here
>about that frequency defecit and a lot of guys will
>tell you they use Eqs and multiple pre's to
>compensate. I'm more of a "purist" in the sense that
>you should be using FX to augment or alter the tones
>rather than FIX them. My 2 weeks with that
>instrument, while initially pretty exciting, actually
>had me returning the instrument. BUT...my needs and
>expectations had drastically changed since the days of
>owning the old Korg stuff, and to be honest, if my
>only choices were an old CX and a new CX (which of
>course is not the case as you can get an Electro, a
>Voce, an XK2 or an XM1 module) I would have taken a
>new CX3 hands down. The new one can vibe the old
>jazzy mellow hammond sounds as well as the harder and
>harsher rock tones. But it will take some time and
>some doctoring to get it right. For me, there were
>more realistic and more gratifying experiences in the
>sonics department than the CX3, although I have to
>stress that as far as familiarity and ergonomics go,
>there's no beating the new CX3. Just don't beat on it
>because it will NOT take it. They chip so easily that
>just resting it on the top tier of your keyboard stand
>is likely to dent and crumple the front end of the CX3
>(at least it did mine).
>
>As always, individual results may vary. And as
>Breyer's ice cream shows us, there are many flavors of
>vanilla. You need to find out what flavor you like,
>and what works for you. Good news is you can find old
>CX3s around (and as for the bad chip...at the age of
>those keyboards, if they work now, they'll keep
>working) relatively cheaply, and there's still a
>demand for them.
>
>Hope that helps...
>tony
>--- brian fores wrote:
> >
> > Cool! I would've loved to have seen and heard that!
> > There's a website out
> > there somewhere, you'll find it if you type in
> > "downtown music", some guy
> > just posted tons of pics of musicians from that
> > scene. THere's a pic of john
> > medeski playing a korg cx3, you can see the logo
> > clearly.
> > But i'm sure these days, he doesn't have to settle
> > for less than his B3 or
> > A100.
> > Anyway, what i'm trying to get at is, how does the
> > old cx3 (analog) differ
> > from the new one (digi)? Has anybody had a chance to
> > a/b them? Thanks, brian
> >
> > >From: Doug B
> > >Reply-To: CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: Re: [CWSG] new member
> > >Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 18:11:06 -0800 (PST)
> > >
> > >--- brian fores wrote:
> > > > I was lucky enough to corner john medeski after
> > a
> > > > show once,
> > >
> > >Hello Brian,
> > >
> > >I met John backstage before a show he was doing
> > with
> > >The Word, and he seems to go for the real deal as
> > >often as possible. So, it doesn't surprise me that
> > >digi-clones are not to his liking. His rig was
> > kinda
> > >funky looking.... but man, the sounds he made...!
> > >
> > >-Doug
> > >
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