From dfibraio@comcast.net Tue Feb 11 14:51:52 2003
Subject:Re: my introduction and asking for advice

Tony. Thank yu for the tips. I really did like the CX3 in the store, but
for what I do, I never need to split the keyboard. I never did get used to
the CX3's way of handling volume, but I guess I could. I think I am going
to try out the electro if they ever get it around here, and a/b with the
cx3. I am not really looking that hard at the VK8, since it seems that the
cx3 and electro are the two best ones that match what I need.

At 02:07 PM 2/11/2003 -0800, you wrote:

>Hey Damon...
>
>Those details add a lot to consider in this.
>
>The VK8...other than waterfall keys, I don't know what
>you think you might gain over your VK7. They are more
>or less the same sound engine (correct me if I'm
>wrong).
>
>The CX3 is nice for the extra drawbars and the very
>Hammondish ergonomics. For that, you cannot go wrong.
>
>But if you are going to a standalone unit for your
>Hammond sounds, I have to totally recommend the
>Electro, and I would recommend the 73 for a couple of
>reasons.
>
>The Electro to my ears, and apparently many others,
>provides the most Hammond experience of a clone
>soundwise, and if you're not going to invest in a
>Speakeasy, you should keep that in mind. I've used
>the Electro with and without the Speakeasy, and when I
>don't carry a leslie, I am quite happy with the sound
>of the Electro by itself. As for the lack of
>drawbars, you will get used to that quick enough,
>trust me.
>
>I would go to the 73 for the electric pianos and clav
>sounds as 61 keys are not enough really for 2handed
>comping. I also recommend the 73 because whether you
>want to use 2 hands to play organs or not, with the
>split engaged you automatically can have 2 different
>organ sounds called up with every preset, and you'll
>have enough room to play them both. Of course the CX3
>and the VK series will allow the same thing, but with
>the shorter keyboard, your options are limited.
>
>And of course the lightweight Electro is kinder to
>your fellow bandmates helping you out. It really does
>have a gorgeous feeling keyboard for organ playing.
>
>Maybe this was a little more helpful....
>tony
>
>--- Damon Fibraio wrote:
> > Yes. The guys move all of my stuff for me. Which is
> > why I try to keep it
> > manageable. If the guys had to move a speakeasy,
> > motion sound type leslie
> > sim, plus my two keyboards, one module, and my
> > roland ax1, mackie ppm808s
> > and jbl monitor, plus the stand, theyd probably
> > shoot me. I am trying to
> > keep it simple as it is. I leave my xv5080 at home
> > for that reason. I am
> > just trying to maximize what I have and to me, while
> > I love the vk, I want
> > something more. I love that distorted overdriven
> > organ sound, I love Keith
> > Emerson and Rick Wakeman and stuff and I just feel
> > like I could use more
> > than I have with the VK. I thought of the Electro
> > because it doubles up on
> > other piano sounds and that would be useful,
> > especially if I need the Motif
> > for synth stuff. To me, something like the V5 is out
> > of bounds due to the
> > extra need for a leslie sim. I try to keep things
> > small due to people
> > having to move my stuff and transport my stuff for
> > me, so if I can have the
> > built in simulator, I'd rather do that. I also don't
> > mess with dual manual
> > organs for that reason. I am basically thinking vk8,
> > cx3 or electro. I wish
> > I could try them out somewhere or at least hear some
> > more samples of each.
> > I have all the electro mp3's from clavia, can
> > somebody point me to cx3 and
> > vk8 samples? What about that new organ type thing
> > that Roland came out
> > with, is that anything worth it? I don't know if I
> > would consider it due to
> > Roland's piano sounds and how I already have all of
> > that with my xv5080,
> > but if it is something extraordinary, I'd think on
> > that, too. So, please
> > somebody give me a hand here.
> >
> > At 10:33 AM 2/11/2003 -0800, you wrote:
> >
> > >I would say for someone who is totally blind (How
> > do
> > >you do it-do your guys help you with your rig? Most
> > >guitarists ask ME how to wire their pedal boards),
> > >having as much control over something by feel would
> > be
> > >pretty important. And no doubt the CX3 has some
> > real
> > >advantage there. But if you like your VK7, the 8
> > >won't have that much of a learning curve for you,
> > and
> > >you could use the money you save on that SPEAKEASY
> > >(which you will love). If you use a JP8080, then
> > >smallish buttons and close proximities probably
> > won't
> > >bother you too much. But for sound, the Electro or
> > >the V5 are still the way to go for me, and if
> > you're
> > >into prog rock, the V5 might actually be MORE your
> > cup
> > >of tea (Gutsy Emo tones are the V5 specialty). I
> > have
> > >not seen nor heard the Key5, so I can't make any
> > >recommendations there, but I love my V5. You can
> > get
> > >one used for under $600, and for a few more bucks
> > have
> > >BW @ Ashby Solutions do the percussion mod, and
> > you'd
> > >be pretty happy (but you would still need a leslie
> > >sim).
> > >
> > >t
> > >--- "Jon Meek "
> >
> > >wrote:
> > > > Well, I own both a CX-3 and an Electro rack. I
> > have
> > > > to say, I
> > > > really, really prefer the sound of the CX over
> > the
> > > > Electro. I know,
> > > > I'm a total heretic in this group, but I just
> > feel
> > > > like the Electro
> > > > is lacking something. If you have a Motif for
> > EP's
> > > > (Vintage 74 on
> > > > that thing...wow), you're pretty much set.
> > > >
> > > > What I really like about the CX is the ability
> > to
> > > > dial in your sound,
> > > > even down to silly things like the whir of
> > > > tonewheels. I like a
> > > > noisy, raw sort of organ sound, I like C3 to be
> > > > obnoxious, and C2 to
> > > > be usable. Something about the chorus and
> > overall
> > > > sound around the
> > > > basic sine wave/tonewheel sound on the Electro
> > fails
> > > > to grab me.
> > > > Yes, the CX is a little shrill in the high end,
> > but
> > > > with a speakeasy,
> > > > or the mellow DB settings in the CX v2, it's
> > quite a
> > > > bit better. Oh,
> > > > and let's not forget 2 sets of drawbars, and a
> > great
> > > > user interface.
> > > > Yes, it's heavier than an Electro, but it's not
> > > > really that bad.
> > > > It's sturdy through windmill chops, I can tell
> > you
> > > > that...I don't
> > > > worry about it flying off the top of my Rhodes.
> > > >
> > > > So, even though I own an Electro, I'm not being
> > > > swayed from loving my
> > > > CX-3 after 18 months. That being said, the EPs
> > on
> > > > the Electro are
> > > > amazing, and Acoustic Piano 4 is probably my new
> > > > favorite because
> > > > it's got some serious character to it.
> > > >
> > > > YMMV, but for your situation, I'd say go for a
> > CX-3.
> > > >
> > > > -Jon
> > > >
> > > > > What I want is a keyboard, as opposed to a
> > module.
> > > > I have heard
> > > > about the
> > > > > VK8. I know most of you hate the fact that it
> > > > doesn't have a
> > > > screen, but I
> > > > > am totally blind and so it doesn't matter to
> > me. I
> > > > have heard the
> > > > Electro
> > > > > and the CX3, and love both of them. I love the
> > > > Electro's extra
> > > > sounds, but
> > > > > hate the idea of no drawbars. I do make use of
> > the
> > > > drawbars in
> > > > playing to
> > > > > change the sound as I play. However, the
> > electric
> > > > pianos sound so
> > > > sweet. I
> > > > > use a Motif6 in addition to my VK7 and also a
> > > > JP8080- for analog
> > > > sounds,
> > > > > and while the Motif6 covers the electric
> > pianos
> > > > really well,
> > > > sometimes you
> > > > > do need that extra punch. I've physically had
> > my
> > > > hands on a Korg
> > > > CX3 and I
> > > > > do like it as well. Oh, the decisions. Can
> > anybody
> > > > help me narrow
> > > > it down a
> > > > > little? And also, what do you think I can get
> > for
> > > > my VK7? It si in
> > > > fine
> > > > > shape and still plays well. If it wasn't for
> > the
> > > > keyboard, I'd look
> > > > into
> > > > > one of those speak easy preamps and live with
> > it
> > > > that way, but I
> > > > really do
> > > > > want something extra. Any help would be hugely
> > > > appreciated.
> > > >
> > >
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