From djacques@csulb.edu Wed Dec 10 07:07:40 2003
Subject:RE: CX3 Horn-Low Rotor Separation

Jake et al...

The horn separation on the CX3/Speakeasy does need to be tweaked to get
the "right" sound (whatever that is)... It also depends on the style of
music you play. With Jazz/Blues I am very happy with the separation, but
can understand why it would bother others playing different styles of
music.

Also, a lot has to do with the settings on the Speakeasy. I always crank
the treble up, helping highlight the separation more. With the more
balanced sound and lack of shrillness on V2.0 of the CX3, you can afford
to boost up the high end again. I also use Mackie SRM 450's which
highlight the high end. But even when going direct into the console at
concerts and studios I have not been bothered by the lack of separation.
But again, that is my taste, and I have accepted that these damn
machines, whether it be Korg, Electro, Roland, Hammond/Suzuki, or
whatever, just can't exactly nail the sound of the real thing. That is
why when I get home I sit and play one of my B3's, not the Roland....


-----Original Message-----
From: jake92028 [mailto:jake92028@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 1:13 AM
To: CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [CWSG] CX3 Horn-Low Rotor Separation

Trying all the stock presets and including David Jacques B3/Leslie
settings, the CX3 horn seems to escape as being separate from the low
rotor. The highs kind-of "shimmer" up and down as if there were no
crossover. The low rotor seems to be the main CX3 effect, as though
the designers were so dedicated to creating a great sounding rotor
ramping up/down slowly and realistically like a 147; that everything
above the low rotor sound range is only there to provide a background
for the rotor effect.

I've tried tweaking the mic distance and mic spread of both, but the
closest I've come to hearing the horn as discrete/separate is at a
mic distance setting of 20-30. I finally hear it clearly separate at
this point, but then too exaggerated, pulsing from one amp to the
other. It seems like, if anything, horn vs low rotor should be just
the opposite: The horn should be the main discrete/separate effect
with the low rotor effect there to provide a solid contrast. This is
more noticeable with keyboard amplifiers than with PA speakers; I use
either depending on the venue and setup space.

On the other hand my Electro 2, which #$%^&* "unfortunately" is
WITHOUT rotary speed tweaks (grrr ~ dumb*ss engineers), has the sound
and separation between the horn and low rotor of a just-reconditioned
B3 w/122 nailed. I like the CX3 better for all the obvious reasons
if you know both keyboards; but have to "settle" - which I guess is a
good thing? - for that one just-right organ sound of the Electro to
perform. I don't need the EP/clavinet sounds, though Nord did a good
job here, play mainly piano/organ/synth.

Any hands-on insights or info, besides buying a Leslie (too heavy),
per tweaks to get more horn/low rotor separation from the lovely CX3
will be greatly appreciated.

Walter (jake)

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