From formercakid@yahoo.com Sun Apr 06 06:41:03 2003
Subject:Re: Amp rig strategy

Stick with an all tube amp or head. In my opinion
nothing compares to the sound of tubes. I use the
Eon15 as a speaker choice. I have used pa heads and
they still don't match the sound of a tube power amp.

--- jagalactic wrote:
> I've enjoyed lurking on this group for a while, but
> now I could use
> some help. My rig is a Yamaha S90 and an Electro2
> 73. Currently I
> have a "donated" Roland KC-500 (you know who you are
> ;-) for piano &
> synth. For organ I've been getting a pretty good
> sound by running
> the Electro in stereo to the KC and a mid '60s
> Deluxe Reverb or
> Vibrolux Reverb (I'm also a well-equipped guitar
> player&). Not only
> does it get me one nice tube channel, it solves the
> lack of reverb
> problem (and none of that
> digital-trying-to-sound-like-springs crap).
>
> So one rig option is a JBL or Mackie or Barbetta
> powered box plus
> one of my vintage guitar amps for stereo leslie.
> That would allow me
> to get an organ/keyboard Speakeasy and not need a
> stereo organ
> preamp. Do any purists out there think organ through
> a sweet old
> guitar amp like that is > adjective>? BTW did I
> mention the guitar amps are light?!
>
> One minor issue with the Mackie and JBL. I'm
> playing primarily
> blues & soul. Molded plastic speakers sure look
> soulless. I'd be
> tempted to cover it with an acoustically transparent
> "tablecloth"...
>
> On a slightly more substantive note, very wide
> dispersion is
> generally desirable for a stage rig. Do any Mackie
> or EON users
> have issues with that?
>
> One thing that's annoying about the KC500 is that
> with electro organ
> percussion on, and not in soft mode, the percussive
> transient is
> really harsh if the amp is turned up pretty loud. I
> suspect this
> could be a problem with any reasonably hi-fi amp,
> and that a
> Speakeasy would improve it due to low pass filtering
>
> (agree/disagree?)
>
> I'll also consider getting a Motion Sound rotary for
> the organ, but
> only an internally miked one (otherwise, too much
> added hassle). It
> seems like there are a few former Motion Sound users
> around, though,
> and I'm curious why. Presumably a Pro3t with any of
> the above hi-fi
> options would crank it out pretty good including
> decend bottom from
> the hi-fi box (and the Pro-3t internally miked,
> right?). Of course,
> of my primary hi-fi options, none is a good shape to
> set a Pro-3t on
> top of...
>
> I tried a KBR-M some while back, but I wanted it for
> piano *and*
> organ; organ sounded good but not piano. And it was
> pretty noisy,
> even with all gain knobs on 0 -- though I understand
> from my
> reputable local dealer that MS claims the newer ones
> are quieter.
>
> Finally...just for fun I tried an experiment
> recently. I used an RTA
> to flatten the response of the KC500, to see if that
> would make it
> sound better. It did *not* sound better, but the
> response curve was
> sort-of interesting. Real bass response falls off
> pretty hard by
> 60hz. There is obviously some bass boost to
> compensate. And response
> is pretty non-linear above about 1.2KHz. Flattening
> required about
> 3db boost at 500hz and 2-3db of cut from 630hz to
> 1.6K. Maybe I'll
> take a picture of the graphic EQ and upload it...
>
> Thanks,
> John
>
> PS after I sort it out, I may have to drop out of
> the list to avoid
> uncontrollable urges to make expensive changes &
> additions ;-)
>

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